Hmm, very interesting. That would explain why the movie scene doesn't go along with what we think happened in the book.

Also, based on Edwards reaction after he killed Veronica in front of Bella it would make sense that he wouldn't want her to know if he was the one that dismembered James.

I hadn't ever though to questions his explaination before. Grrrrr when will Midnight Sun be out???????

Right. I think the movie does go along with the book. It just doesn't go along with what Edward told Bella happened. I might not be so sure, except that Bella makes a point of saying that she didn't remember Jasper and Emmett being there. Edward wasn't being exactly truthful.

I imagined the scene this way. Everyone rode in a stolen car from airport to Renee's house. They knew that address. Bella had said the ballet studio was close to her house. From there, Edward tracked her. Remember that she falls while running there, and skinned her palms. He tracked her in Port Angeles, too. Then he just had to get close enough to read James'thoughts. Edward is fast, faster than the others who would have shown up later. I believe they were all eventually there, someone was pouring the gasoline and it wasn't Edward/Carlisle/Alice, they were administering to Bella. But could Edward have already killed James? In a later book, discussing the Laurent/Victoria fall out, Edward regrets that he was not the one to kill her attacker, that he might still get the chance to avenge the harm done to her. I don't have the passage immediately in front of me.

Alice and Jasper knew the address of the ballet studio. On page 420, Bella tells them it's "Fifty-eight Street and Cactus". But, I also think you might be right that Edward tracked Bella from her house. I don't think he was with the rest of them.

Now, I'm going to bow out of this. I think we kind've had an unfair advantage here, being able to see a couple of the movie clips that kind've give things away. I think I know what's going on here, but I'm going to do something really out of character for me, and keep my mouth shut.

Thanks for the address reference. I couldn't tell if that referred to her mom's address or the dance studio. Of course, Edward could have been fast enough to fun all the way from the airport.
I try really hard to keep the movie and book separate in my thoughts. The movie will never be the same: it will be an adaptation of what happened, not really what happened. In the trailer, I've already found so many variants from the book, I'm glad I read the book before someone enticed me to see the movie (the order I did Harry Potter #1-3). For example the scene of them flying out the window is everyone's favorite Alice/Jasper "can we share a snack" scene. I hate to think we won't have that in the movie.

She's talking about the address of the studio. On page 443, she says: "When I rounded the last cornier, onto Cactus..."

I agree that you have to consider that movie will change many things. But, I have a feeling about this. I think the movie is right in this scene.

Did I say I was going to bow out of this? Okay, now I am.

Thanks for not saying too much frankie. I don't watch the movie clips listen to the movie new or even go over to the Twilight The Movie section of this forum so I appreciate it when people can refrain from spoiling the movie for me by saying to much in other forums. this idea is very intregueing, I have been wondering about in in some variation for a long time. I also keep thinking of the part in in NM where laurent say's to bella "james was her mate and your edward killed him" NM 240.

Oooh nice catch! I didn't even think of that!

Victoria wasn't there, she wouldn't know unless the Cullens told Irina who told Laurent. Regardless, it was Edward's love for Bella that led to James' downfall, so he would be guilty regardless of his physical role. I need to get my EC back so I can find that scene I'm remembering and re-read it.

I guess the idea that Edward was actually the one to kill James, and not Jasper and Emmett, confuses me. On page 453 of the hardback, you hear the snapping and keening noise of James getting killed at the same time that Edward is crying out for Bella. It doesn't make sense to me that he would be killing James, and yet sounding so pitiful at the same time. Also, on page 461, when Edward tells Bella that Emmett and Jasper killed James, there was a "fierce note of regert" in his voice, making it seem like he really did wish he was the one to have done it. I guess I just don't see what he really would have gained from lying to her, he already told her about his "rebellous" years, which should have been just a disturbing to her.

On the topic of Alice not seeing Bella get on the plane, I agree with those who said that Alice was looking at things from James' point of view, not Bella. Even if she was looking at Bella's future, she wouldn't have seen her get on the plane, because she still saw Bella in the ballet studio, but she would have had to specifically look at Bella's immediate future to see her run off, which at the time, she had no reason to do.

I agree with everything you've said.

I may be off base on this but I was thinking that one of the reasons that Alice didn't see Bella's escape was because Bella didn't have a formulated plan in her head. She didn't conceive an idea and then plan it fully in her mind. She was making split second decisions and improvising her next moves from the time she dashed away from Jasper until the time she hopped on the hotel shuttle. Maybe her thoughts were so muddled by her fear for Renee that Alice couldn't get a clear picture of Bella's thoughts.

I also agree with everyone else that Alice was really trying to focus on James at that point as well.

I posted this on another thread, but it applies to this one as well.

Maybe the reason Alice didn't see Bella escaping through the bathroom was because it didn't affect the outcome that Alice had already seen.
When they were still in the hotel, Alice had a vision of Bella with James in the ballet studio- a result of Bella's decision to follow Jame's directions from the phone call. The fact that Bella escapes through the bathroom wouldn't change the outcome of that decision, it just facilitates it. Since the end result hadn't changed, Alice may not have seen an intermediate step, even if it had been planned. She probably didn't realize Bella was gone until Jasper told her, because she was still seeing Bella in the ballet studio with James.

I 100% agree with this. Alice had ALREADY seen the results of Bella esacaping, but, as Bella said, she thought it was the result of something James did, not an action by Bella.

I'm not sure it was a spur of the moment decision. She knew of the specific bathroom she would need, but had no idea which terminal Edward/Carlisle/Emmett would come in to. It was only after they determined which terminal was the correct one, AND Bella was able to leave Jasper in the correct position for her to get away through the other door. Then, she had planned to get a taxi, but there were no taxis available, only shuttles at that moment. So she had a plan, sort of, she just didn't know whether or not she could pull it off correctly. Who knows, maybe she had some alternatives in mind. (Can you just imagine little Bella in any large airport, with scatterbrained Renee, every year, twice a year? Can you imagine the times they got separated?) Alice can only see what Bella was sure of. Then she had to improvise a little with the shuttle, which Alice would NOT see beforehand, either.