Where's the love for Rosalie?

**lauralee** · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:

I don't think she would be happy unless she went through the same change we've said she needed as a vampire. She thinks that getting married and having the baby will make her happy. We all know there is more to it then that. Until she learns that happiness isn't that perfect picture of things you have, but something that comes from within, she won't be happy either way. She's searching for intrinsic happiness in an extrinsic world.
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**Jayne1955** · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject:

She might be happier for awhile but I don't know if she'd be happy. It's sort of a case of "be careful what you wish for...you might get it." She thinks she'd be happier growing old and winding up under a gravestone, but I think she'd have a harder time with aging than most people would, and especially with the aches and pains and deterioration that sometimes go along with it.
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**Amie** · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:50 am Post subject:

I think she would hate it I know Emmett would so it would ruin there relationship but I agree with lauralee she need to be happy with herself.

For me I really think she would wish she was a vampire again in some ways I think they all would. I just think this because they have been for so long it would be hard for them to live a human I really think Rosalie would wish she was a vampire angina because she would realize that it was not so bad

You know it is weird that I am so rooting for the vampire life I guess the Cullen’s make it look so nice because before these wonderful books I would never even given the vampire life a thought but I have.

I think Rosalie would hate being human after all of this she would age and sorry sometimes with ageing you lose your beauty and she cares for her beauty.

**Cordelia** · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:21 am Post subject:

Wow! You all gave me a new perspective on Rosalie - thank you! I always thought it was a given that Rosalie would be ecstatic to be human and raise a family with Emmett, but oddly enough the fact that Rosalie would age never occurred to me. That would be impossibly difficult for her. She was raised to believe her beauty was her greatest asset and after becoming a vampire her beauty only intensified. she's been young and gorgeous for almost a century - it would be too much for her to deal with wrinkles and gray hair, etc.

**Tamia** · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:38 am Post subject:

**Cordelia** · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:56 am Post subject:

**Jayne1955** · Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:53 am Post subject:

I don't think any of them could handle being without their powers. Not after having them for so long. I just do not.

They would all be at a total loss if someone they cared about was in danger, and they were no longer super strong and able to handle it. Think about what would happen if four guys tried to grab Bella or Rosalie or Alice ala Port Angeles, and either Edward or Jasper or Emmett got their butts kicked because they couldn tfight off four guys alone any more. Or if they lost their super perception and had a car accident, and someone they cared about got hurt because they couldn't drive without concentrating anymore. Or if other vampires came along and killed someone, and they couldn't stop it. Or worse, if someone who has a grudge against them specifically targeted them as new humans, knowing that they are now vulnerable.

I can think of so many ways they could be hurt or hurt someone else by not being used to humanity.

That's the main reason Bella knows becoming a vampire is right...because she needs to be strong and be able to protect those she loves, even if it means she can't be with them anymore. That passage of the book was so powerful it HAS to mean something. To me, it ties inot the passage aobut how being a vampire isn't so bad the way the Cullens do it.
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**lauralee** · Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:

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**nighttimepatronofthearts** · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:44 am Post subject:

shorea · Newborn Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 5 Location: Tennessee

Wow, reading this thread has been such an interesting look into Rosalie's character! I've been itching to get my account validation email so that I could jump in, but now I'm actually glad it took a little while - there have been so many new points to think about.

On the one hand, I agree that Rosalie's desire for children was built more on her fantasy for perfect, beautiful children that she could show off than a true, maternal desire. But then again, isn't that (to an extent) what all young women picture? How many 18 year olds do you know who picture a future for themselves which involves 3 AM feedings, stinky diapers, temper-tantrums, and sweet potatoes smushed into the carpet? A vast majority of the young women I know DON'T, and every woman I've met who is expecting their first is guilty of fantasizing about how the birth of their child will turn them into a weird combination of Martha Stewart and Mother Theresa.

I don't think that Rosalie's unrealistic expectations can be seen as a reason to downplay her suffering, or as an indication that she would have made a bad mother. After all, she had equally high expectations of marriage (didn't we all!) before her change. And yet, while her life isn't anything at all like how she envisioned it, she and Emmett have a strong and stable relationship. Given just how LONG they've been married, I think she's doing pretty well.

I can also see both sides of the baby argument. While I agree that Bella will probably be just fine without ever having children, part of me completely agrees with Rose.

For as long as I can remember, I've wanted to be a wife and a SAHM. It's all I wanted out of my life...every other dream paled in comparison to that desire. While I was (and still am sometimes) as guilty as the next young woman of romanticizing that life, I also had the advantage of being 15 when my youngest brother was born. I 'get' the tremendous responsibilities, sacrifices, and commitment that motherhood calls for. I work with children who range from 3-15 years old, and I've seen the highs and lows of each stage of childhood. Despite that, motherhood is still my deepest desire.

Unfortunately, that may never happen. I've recently developed some fertility issues which will make it nearly impossible to conceive, and very likely that I will miscarry if we do.

As such, it's hard to wrap my mind around Bella's decision. It seems so unfair that there would be people in the world who are perfectly capable of having children despite the fact that they don't want to, while others who want nothing more are incapable of conceiving. I can't help but agree with Rose that Bella may not fully understand what she's giving up. Eternity is a very, very long time, and this decision can't be undone.

I WANT Bella to be with Edward, and I WANT to see her changed, but in Rosalie's shoes, I probably would have voted the same way.
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