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What part made you the saddest for Edward?
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heartstops4EC
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauralee wrote:
Cordelia wrote:
heartstops4EC wrote:
bellandedwardslullaby wrote:
Cordelia wrote:
he's really upset, but that time he just couldn't pull himself together to even respond properly to Charlie.  By Edward standards, it took him a long time to get himself calm.  And since he's so used to reading everyone's minds he's never surprised at anything (other than Bella's reactions) - so it must have been doubly shocking!
Edward Edward, always the control freak.  It must be awful to be so beautiful and perfect.  *sigh* Embarassed
I think it was hard for him to have "missed the boat" on this one.
Yes, he's used to being so sharp and clever and one step ahead of everyone else and in this instance he was blindsided!  To be honest, I was surprised he didn't catch on sooner, too.
Ironically, he is accusing Alice of losing her touch in EC, but it is Edward that is losing some of his...
In his defense, he's not clarivoyant so he wouldn't know this was going on unless someone was thinking it which Alice was hiding. But am I getting my scenes wrong or wasn't Bella trying to convince him earlier that Victoria was up to something? If that's the case, he didn't trust Bella to know what she was talking about.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauralee wrote:
Cordelia wrote:
heartstops4EC wrote:
bellandedwardslullaby wrote:
Cordelia wrote:
he's really upset, but that time he just couldn't pull himself together to even respond properly to Charlie. By Edward standards, it took him a long time to get himself calm. And since he's so used to reading everyone's minds he's never surprised at anything (other than Bella's reactions) - so it must have been doubly shocking!



Edward Edward, always the control freak. It must be awful to be so beautiful and perfect. *sigh* Embarassed

I think it was hard for him to have "missed the boat" on this one.


Yes, he's used to being so sharp and clever and one step ahead of everyone else and in this instance he was blindsided! To be honest, I was surprised he didn't catch on sooner, too.


Ironically, he is accusing Alice of losing her touch in EC, but it is Edward that is losing some of his...


Yes, after all Alice can't really control her gift the way Edward can. I think he was too worried about too many different things at once to put all of that together. Also it gave SM the chance to show how smart Bella is!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine would have to be EC-Fire&Ice,
He was so honest and open with Jacob, by telling him tht if Bella were to pick Jacob, he would never let her see how hurt he would be, and he would always be waiting in the wings for her.
Edward stayed in the lil corner of the tent as far away from Bella as he could, so he wouldn't make her colder.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andeesweet wrote:
Mine would have to be EC-Fire&Ice,
He was so honest and open with Jacob, by telling him tht if Bella were to pick Jacob, he would never let her see how hurt he would be, and he would always be waiting in the wings for her.
Edward stayed in the lil corner of the tent as far away from Bella as he could, so he wouldn't make her colder.


Oh, man, what kills me is the next morning after Jacob has gone crashing out of the tent, and Bella is upset about a multitude of things so Edward offers to "distract" her...and she responds to his icy breath against her neck with more cold tremors...at which he lpulls away and says, "Maybe not right now." Can you sense his disappointment because he thinks he can't be what she needs and is often something she doesn't? And it has to hurt, being rejected right after she has spent the night cocooned in a sack with Jacob, even though he knows neither thing is her fault.

He rallies himself quickly, because she needs him to be strong, not morose or despondent, but I'll bet he's filing it away to dwell on later or else he wouldn't be Edward.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordelia wrote:

I just want him to believe in his own soul - because if Edward couldn't have one then who could?!


You really took the words right out of my mouth with that one...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimmerskin wrote:
andeesweet wrote:
Mine would have to be EC-Fire&Ice,
He was so honest and open with Jacob, by telling him tht if Bella were to pick Jacob, he would never let her see how hurt he would be, and he would always be waiting in the wings for her.
Edward stayed in the lil corner of the tent as far away from Bella as he could, so he wouldn't make her colder.


Oh, man, what kills me is the next morning after Jacob has gone crashing out of the tent, and Bella is upset about a multitude of things so Edward offers to "distract" her...and she responds to his icy breath against her neck with more cold tremors...at which he lpulls away and says, "Maybe not right now." Can you sense his disappointment because he thinks he can't be what she needs and is often something she doesn't? And it has to hurt, being rejected right after she has spent the night cocooned in a sack with Jacob, even though he knows neither thing is her fault.

He rallies himself quickly, because she needs him to be strong, not morose or despondent, but I'll bet he's filing it away to dwell on later or else he wouldn't be Edward.

With his perfect memory, nothing goes away and it's all their to haunt him. He'll always see Bella wrapped up with Jacob and Bella's and Jacob's kiss through the mind of the other werewolves. Not only can he not be the one to warm her, he can't be the one to kiss her like that. He's been the one to have to restrain Bella so many times.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heartstops4EC wrote:
Shimmerskin wrote:
andeesweet wrote:
Mine would have to be EC-Fire&Ice,
He was so honest and open with Jacob, by telling him tht if Bella were to pick Jacob, he would never let her see how hurt he would be, and he would always be waiting in the wings for her.
Edward stayed in the lil corner of the tent as far away from Bella as he could, so he wouldn't make her colder.


Oh, man, what kills me is the next morning after Jacob has gone crashing out of the tent, and Bella is upset about a multitude of things so Edward offers to "distract" her...and she responds to his icy breath against her neck with more cold tremors...at which he lpulls away and says, "Maybe not right now." Can you sense his disappointment because he thinks he can't be what she needs and is often something she doesn't? And it has to hurt, being rejected right after she has spent the night cocooned in a sack with Jacob, even though he knows neither thing is her fault.

He rallies himself quickly, because she needs him to be strong, not morose or despondent, but I'll bet he's filing it away to dwell on later or else he wouldn't be Edward.

With his perfect memory, nothing goes away and it's all their to haunt him. He'll always see Bella wrapped up with Jacob and Bella's and Jacob's kiss through the mind of the other werewolves. Not only can he not be the one to warm her, he can't be the one to kiss her like that. He's been the one to have to restrain Bella so many times.

Ouch!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimmerskin wrote:
andeesweet wrote:
Mine would have to be EC-Fire&Ice,
He was so honest and open with Jacob, by telling him tht if Bella were to pick Jacob, he would never let her see how hurt he would be, and he would always be waiting in the wings for her.
Edward stayed in the lil corner of the tent as far away from Bella as he could, so he wouldn't make her colder.


Oh, man, what kills me is the next morning after Jacob has gone crashing out of the tent, and Bella is upset about a multitude of things so Edward offers to "distract" her...and she responds to his icy breath against her neck with more cold tremors...at which he lpulls away and says, "Maybe not right now." Can you sense his disappointment because he thinks he can't be what she needs and is often something she doesn't? And it has to hurt, being rejected right after she has spent the night cocooned in a sack with Jacob, even though he knows neither thing is her fault.

He rallies himself quickly, because she needs him to be strong, not morose or despondent, but I'll bet he's filing it away to dwell on later or else he wouldn't be Edward.


Yes! I felt so bad for Edward when Bella shivers. It's bad enough that he can't help her right then, but he actually makes things worse (temperature-wise) and there's nothing he can do about it. Edward hates to be out of control of a situation and unable to protect Bella - it must have been horrible for him....and before he got time to recover properly things get so much worse.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordelia^earlier you mentioned how Edward may have felt unloved after the Voterra incident. And poor him, she was also freezing. Running through the fountain hadn't helped.

This is another instance in which Bella is cold. And he can't do anything about it except allow Jacob to warm her up. And then the kiss. Ugh! He really had to deal with so much.

The depth of Edward's love and unbelievable depth of understanding and patience went beyond what could be expected.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

InnamorataDiTwilight wrote:
Cordelia^earlier you mentioned how Edward may have felt unloved after the Voterra incident. And poor him, she was also freezing. Running through the fountain hadn't helped.

This is another instance in which Bella is cold. And he can't do anything about it except allow Jacob to warm her up. And then the kiss. Ugh! He really had to deal with so much.

The depth of Edward's love and unbelievable depth of understanding and patience went beyond what could be expected.


Yes! Poor Edward is so understanding and patient! I forgot that bella was cold after running through the fountain - was that why Edward kept trying to wrap her in his borrowed cloak?

There's a weird juxtaposition between the three main characters, where Bella's role changes depending on who she is with. When she's with Jacob he warms her up, but when she's with Edward she takes on the Jacob "sun" role and is the one warming Edward up. IMO, Jacob can be hotheaded and impetuous and it hurts the more careful and mature Bella, but then Bella is still less mature and careful than Edward. And she can get stubborn and impetuous (like refusing to marry Edward or running to James) and hurt Edward. It's almost like - in some, not all ways - Bella acts like Edward's Jacob. Does that make any sense??
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what almost everyone else has said. I thought the hardest moment for Edward was after Bella broke up with Jacob. I mean, he thinks he understands how it must have been when he left, but somehow, watching it all play out before him, it's almost too much. I get the impression he almost doesn't believe it was worse when he left. And yet he sits there with her. So sad, and yet such a great moment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shariwrites wrote:
I agree with what almost everyone else has said. I thought the hardest moment for Edward was after Bella broke up with Jacob. I mean, he thinks he understands how it must have been when he left, but somehow, watching it all play out before him, it's almost too much. I get the impression he almost doesn't believe it was worse when he left. And yet he sits there with her. So sad, and yet such a great moment.


I got this impression too, shariwrites, and it still really bothers me. I NEED Edward to know that what Bella went through losing him was infinitely worse. It doesn't make sense to me that Edward wouldn't already know that. We know he saw her coma in the woods moment from Jacob's mind, but wouldn't it stand to reason that Edward would also get Charlie's oral account from Alice? And also some visual memories from Charlie himself? After all, that's why Charlie dislikes Edward so much - he must have thought about his daughter's catatonic first week and months of walking zombie-ness at least once when Edward came over every night. Or maybe Mike in school thinking about Bella's zombiness. Or even Angela at lunch every day thinking how great it is Bella isn't upset anymore. I've never understood this!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordelia:
- in some, not all ways - Bella acts like Edward's Jacob. Does that make any sense??

YES...it really does!!! I never thought of it that way but you are so right..

Do you think it has anything to do with the need to take "CARE OF' and to be "CARED FOR"...you know, come to think of it...Jacob lost mom at a young age as did Edward, and Bella...well Renee is more like a sister/child...

Sorry...my thoughts are melding...AGH
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joanne Maria wrote:
Cordelia:
- in some, not all ways - Bella acts like Edward's Jacob. Does that make any sense??

YES...it really does!!! I never thought of it that way but you are so right..

Do you think it has anything to do with the need to take "CARE OF' and to be "CARED FOR"...you know, come to think of it...Jacob lost mom at a young age as did Edward, and Bella...well Renee is more like a sister/child...

Sorry...my thoughts are melding...AGH


Oh, great point Joanne Maria! Yes, I think you're right - Bella's maternal instincts that have inspired her to willingly take care of Renee and Charlie also kick in for Jacob. It's become such a core part of her personality to be the mature one who takes care of others that it's almost an automatic reflex with Jacob. But then Edward is so confident, assertive, protective, strong, and loving that it's finally Bella's turn to be the one taken care of for a change. That ties in with why she took such dangerous chances in NM - she was taunting Edward's voice to keep protecting her and make her feel safe and cared for.

And like Bella, Edward is used to being the one to take care of others: he probably helped Carlisle guide Esme to be a vegetarian, and show Rosalie the ropes of being a Cullen. He watches out for Jasper's thirst and Emmett's impetuousness, and in MS he said it's his job to constantly monitor humans' reactions to his family in case it's time to run.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you ladies on your last points. Bella is definitely maternal. She is nurturing and self-sacrificing.

I actually think that she is protective of both these guys. I mean they're the physically strong ones and yet she would be willing to stand in their place if she has to. In EC she is fearful of Victoria because it might mean that harm will come to Edward and Jacob.
She even goes so far as to think of herself as the third wife if she has to.

I hope I have interpreted your thoughts correctly.

Anyhow, Bella is truly amazing and capable of great love.

Edward is one lucky vampire.
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