Do you know what part of it she became confused with?? or is it the whole whishy washy concept of Bella going back and forth between Edward and Jacob?

I agree. Is it the Edward/Bella/Jacob thing? The only part I got confused on was the stories and legends Bella heard around the campfire.

I didn't have trouble understanding the book, though it didn't affect me quite the way Twilight did.

I know a fourteen year-old girl who understands it better than me sometimes. It's amazing.

Maybe your daughter read through the first two too fast and didn't grasp it all. If she reads them again, maybe she will be more into reading Eclipse because she understands the other two better. Or maybe the time between reading the second from the third was too long?

I thought the Bella/Edward/Jacob thing could be confusing because Bella says she loves both Jacob and Edward. She also kisses both of them, so, yes, it can be confusing. It is not a typical romance.

A friend of mine's 13 year old read Twilight and didn't like it and couldn't relate and was confused as well. i was flored at the time because i had just powered through the series. I dont know if she was confused or just couldn't get into to it. Maybe the young ones...even though the series is "clean" for them, really are not ready entriely for the books. I know its marketed to teens because there is no smut, but i have heard this a lot lately. The books are SO complicated in other ways as we see from SM's brilliant web of history, art, mythology etc that at times the books seem strangly plausible. they touch our emotions and make us feel right there in the story. i think that we can all relate so strongly and beause we have had some distance from our young years, therfore can be more objective and have more fun with it. i can imagine that for a younger teen mind much of the books could seem confusing and overwhelming because they are so laced with rich stories that take you off the linear track of the story. The level of writing is simplistic, but the web of content is very advanced in other ways. Its interesting to say the least of how adults are reacting to the seemingly "teen" story, and how many teens are confused by it. i also think that many teens have not had that romantic feeling about another person and may not relate or understand the "magnetic draw" of the characters and the inprinting stuff. we adults have had those feelings andunderstand them better so would be less confused by all the back and forth. And even though the main characters are teens, they are definitely not teens...they are over 100 years old (most of them) and have seen life and are really very adult. Teens are jsut not going to totally relate to 100 year olds in teen bodies. its very strange whenyou say it...its really not a teen story...maybe that's what adds to the confusion.

i would still have my daughter read it as a teen but i dont think all teens across the board are ready for it if they have a more linear mind. more artistic or left brained teens would probably find it more logical and less confusing. In the Border's interview with SM there were teens discussing the book and they seemed to really love and get it. i wonder what ages they were?

i am secretly glad that many teens aren't getting it! can we just say they're adult books and hide them away? Why waste it on the kids huh? Good luck with your daughter...i cant wait to confuse mine with the books. But we have a ways, she's only 3.

Ok can someone help me out here. I not going to mence words or put it eloquently, just striaight forward.

I thinking this scene 522-530 where Edward willing goes and brings Jacob back from the forest. It seems out of the blue to me that this "love" Bella has is declared for Jacob. Im just now on a second reading but even at the end of Ethics. It dosent fit, this seems to be such a passionate love for Jacob that explodes out of the blue (then seems to subside in NEEDs wow what a fun chapter).

Maybe I see it wrong but first he just isint "that' lovable, sorry Jacob lovers, second, Bella admits she cant live without Edward. Is this some spell that Jacob has put on her? It comes so sudden (to me). No time to put it in so many words, just want it out there for some input.

I'm planning on starting my second reading of Eclipse tonight and when I think back to the first time I read it, I would agree with you . . . the scene where Bella figures out she loves Jacob just doesn't fit ~ maybe when I read it again it might make better sense.

That could be the reason for someone not understanding the book so well???? Either way, I'm just happy she ends up with Edward ~ the way it's suppose to be!!!

I think Bella was just in denial. She knows that Edward is her soul mate, and because of this was trying to convince herself that she couldn't be in love with Jacob too. Jacobs persistence when Edward brings him back for me, was like a switch being flicked on, the old light bulb over the head moment for Bella. Although I was totally confused by her behaviour throughout the whole book. For someone who would do anything for Edward, she puts up a good fight. She constantly goes behind his back and even in the last chapter when he tries to call off the engagement,even then she doesn't tell him she'll marry him to make him happy. It's just too all about her..in my point of view.

Yhea, ok thanks for the reply. I was listening to it on Audiobook as I read it AGAIN last night. The Ethics chapter help me see where Bella was going with it BUT I still have issues with her when she tells Jacob, "I saw it, and want it BAD". UGG, no way. Sorry dont buy it. Bella was describing the "vision" when she was kissing him at the campsite and the Red flash of heat swept over her eyelids. It first gave me the impression there was some sort of imagery he was DOING to her or spell, but I dont think thats the case. It was just so "out of the blue" for me.

But Bella does well to explain herself that its not the same "cant live without you" love that she has for Edward. She does well to explain herself But I personaly think that shes not in love with Jacob. HE defines it that way for her and THEN she sees it that way. Its like telling someone their hungry but their not but after constant persuassion, "well maybe just a little". Bella is such an intellectual and to be attracted to Jacob, UGG, (even the MY Jacob side of him) it just doesent fit for me. Oh well she picked Edward BUT just makes me uneasy.

It helped for me to revamp it with my audiobook but OH does it make me so Anxious! Yikes

I NEED MY BD!!!!

I just had to replay to this : Thanks for someone saying it!!! I pray Steph sees that (once Bella becomes a vampire queen) wish wish that we would all be happy with Cullen family adventures with adult ratings. Love the whole comment that was posted. T

hese really are complicated plot lines with magnificant description and complicated relationship issues. Fantastic writing. Absolutely FANTASTIC.

MORE Cullen Royal family adventures.PLEASE

A quick apology in advance. I want to address a few posts and don't know if the proper etiquette on this forum is multi-post or multi-quote. I'm choosing to multi-post since it is easier for me, however please correct me if I chose incorrectly.



I see it a bit differently. From my perspective, it's Edward's insistence that he always knows what's best for Bella that forces her to go behind his back when she feels the situation is important enough. Most of the time, though, she goes along with what he wants to both genuinely make him happy and keep the peace.

Bella's character is *defined* by self-sacrifice. The only 2 things she has done for herself is to insist on being with Edward for eternity and being unwilling to be honest with herself about Jacob. The 2nd meadow scene is so pivotal because Edward finally admits he doesn't always know what's best for Bella which implies he no longer underestimates Bella's judgement. He already knows Bella is self-sacrificing and going along with the wedding to please everyone else but herself. By releasing her from *his* conditions and Bella still keeping the pact, she is making the marriage *her* choice which is a much more powerful commitment than marrying to make him happy.

Quite frankly, this scene (and a few others in Eclipse) is what gives me hope that they can have a happy *healthy* relationship. Before this, while I wholeheartedly believe Edward "beyond description" loves and adores Bella, I also believes he underestimates her and ultimately doesn't respect her as an equal.

I'll be honest, the 1st time I read Eclipse and got to "that" scene I was a bit surprised, but perhaps not as much as most readers and I certainly feel I cut her quite a bit more slack than most. However, during my 2nd reading I saw the clues -- most definitely as early as the 1st kiss scene.

I think Bella was as equally surprised and appalled as most readers. Perhaps, I'm a bit more...forgiving?...because I have personally experienced both being a "Jacob" and a "Bella" and understand how, even with the best intentions, situations can get out of hand and people get hurt.

Bella was in denial about her feelings for Jacob for most of the book. It wasn't until she truly believed that he was in mortal danger that she could admit to herself the true nature and depth of her feelings for him. It wasn't *really* out of the blue, per say, but more the crisis moment was finally reached where honesty could no longer be denied.

Also, while I believe Bella loves Edward more, I don't believe her love for Jacob is a lesser love -- more that B&E love is extraordinary. As stated in Ethics, if Edward had not been in their lives, Bella & Jacob *would* have been soul-mates.

"I could see what he saw, and I knew that he was right. If the world was the sane place it was supposed to be, Jacob and I would have been together. And we would have been happy. He was my sole mate in that world -- would have been my soul mate still if his claim had not been overshadowed by something stronger, something so strong that it could not exist in a rational world."

I think this relationship is *so* crucial to B&E's future. This is what it finally took for Bella to truly understand what she was giving up when she was giving up her mortality. Neither Edward's cautions or Rosalie's stories would have made her understand. She *finally* saw her alternative future -- and it was pretty darn good --- and she *still* chose Edward instead.

Can I just say Ahhhh....Thank you!!! Especially to this part: