I often think that Rosalie's gift of beauty is valuable in that it can be LURING. I am just not sure as to what it should LURE??

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Joanne Maria wrote:

I often think that Rosalie's gift of beauty is valuable in that it can be LURING. I am just not sure as to what it should LURE??

Well, in NM we have Heidi who is the lure ("the fisherman and the bait") that brings food into the grisly tower room in Volterra. Remember the drain in the center of the floor? :shudder: That little detail always gets me.

Edward describes in the meadow scene how perfectly equipped a vampire is to draw in his prey, including the dazzling physical appearance. I think most vampires are designed to be lures to one degree or another, but some especially gorgeous ones do exist. Perhaps that's because they aren't quite as fast or they lack enhanced qualities. Emmett has super-duper-strength, so he only needs to be gorgeous instead of super-extra-gorgeous. Jasper can lull his victims so they don't resist, so same thing. Edward can hear their thoughts (though he's a special case 'cause he's super-extra-everything ) and Alice can see what they're going to do, and Jane can stun them into immobility with pain, and so on. Never mind that not all of these vampires are using their abilities to hunt humans, the abilities are still there.

Someone like Heidi is perfectly placed. She is super-sexy and the particular job given her is to procure victims for the whole company. That's her gift. Rosalie could have provided the same function in a coven of people-eaters, but it's kind of wasted on the Cullens, isn't it? Poor thing. All gloried up and nowhere to go.

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Well maybe in BD her tenacity as well as her beauty will play a role in whatever confrontation happens there.

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mama_chelle wrote:

But one thing I do wonder about is, maybe Rosalie does have a "tangible" gift, like Alice or Edward or Jasper and not just a trait that she brings with her. Something maybe that does work on Bella. Hence the reason she took the time to tell Bella her story? Just throwing around ideas here, sorry If i'm way off. Like I said, my family plugs their ears and starts singing "La La La" anytime I try to bring this stuff up.

If I remember right, wasn't Bella all for being a vampire and not worrying about how everyone else would feel until she heard Rosalie's story? And then after, that is when she really started thinking about Renee and Charlie and having a wedding so they could say goodbye and all that? Maybe that is Rosalie's power, the power to lure you in with her beauty, and then get you to feel things or think things you normally wouldn't have, almost like she puts a spell on you and 'plants' those thoughts? Anyone ever considered that maybe her story she told Bella was all (or somewhat) a lie too? She said Edward didn't want Bella to know, but she was telling her anyway. Maybe it was all crafted in such a way to make Bella consider what she was giving up before it was too late?

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I read an SM PC on the lex about Rose that I liked a lot. She said Rose is in a deep well of denial. Rose sees the love story of the family as being the one between she and Emmett, not Edward and Bella. If Edward loved Bella so much, why would he leave her and why does he not want to change her? It is beyond her ability to consider that she could have been wrong in asking Carlisle to change Emmett, her true love, for her. That what she did was selfish, in bringing Emmett into an existence that she herself resents. The idea that Edward might love Bella more since he refuses to change/damn Bella makes Rose have to take a hard look at her decision.

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I like that ^^^^ alot. If fits with her selfcenteredness, and her need to be, I don't know, better than everyone, the focus of everyone? I don't know if thats what I want to say. But I like it.

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auntie venom wrote:

I read an SM PC on the lex about Rose that I liked a lot. She said Rose is in a deep well of denial. Rose sees the love story of the family as being the one between she and Emmett, not Edward and Bella. If Edward loved Bella so much, why would he leave her and why does he not want to change her? It is beyond her ability to consider that she could have been wrong in asking Carlisle to change Emmett, her true love, for her. That what she did was selfish, in bringing Emmett into an existence that she herself resents. The idea that Edward might love Bella more since he refuses to change/damn Bella makes Rose have to take a hard look at her decision.

The quote you read at from the Lex is here: http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=198

I don't think Rosalie so much resents being a vampire as she does having been robbed of her human life, and that was going to happen regardless. She also realizes that her human life, had it gone the course she anticipated it would, was not going to be happy. She would have been in a loveless marriage, trying to make up for it by garnering admiration for herself, her children and her home. If you know someone like that (Does anyone else see the comparison here to "Rose" in the movie Titanic?), you would almost have to think it was better that Rosalie became a vampire. She has Emmett, who doesn't seem to be particularly upset over his fate; I think he rather likes it. So, Rosalie doesn't really have to dwell on the decision over changing Emmett.

I think that there's more to the story of Rosalie's resentment of Bella in the beginning. And, once the pattern of behavior towards her was established, she had a hard time warming up to her. But, I give her a lot of credit for caring enough to try to intervene with Bella becoming a vampire. She has grown a lot since becoming a vampire herself. Since I think she and Emmett will become human, becoming a vampire not only saved her life, but gave her a chance to become a person who could have a fulfilling human life.

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Lisa 314 wrote:

Cocoa wrote: Its one thing for Bella to see it for her own eyes that Rosalie is beautiful. Its quite another for Edward to say it to Bella. I doubt that would have set well. Even when he said she was beautiful later, he added, in her own way, to soften the statement. It would have been rude to tell Bella he found another woman beautiful. Edward, always the gentleman. Not to mention that Rosalie would have LOVED him telling Bella she is Beautiful, I doubt Edward would want to give her the satification. Something tells me that this buggs the crap out of Rosalie, Edward not admitting she is pretty. I wager its been a theme in Rosalie and Edward's relationship. Its a very brother and siter like thing to do. Sorry to belabor the point, but that's what makes for good discussions, right? Rosalie's beauty, her "outward trait" that she brings to her vampire existence, is the motivating catalyst, I believe, that is driving an as of yet, unexplained "inner trait". This inner trait is hidden from us at this point, but will be explained, IMHO, in MS. It manifests itself at this point in the form of her beauty.Rosalie regales not only in the attention she felt she should have from Edward, but never got, but also in the attention she gets from all males and females alike. A trait, is a distingushing behavioral marker best visualized by a physical characteristic(like beauty). When it is fed(no pun intended), it strengthens, thus keeping the pattern moving in a never ending circle. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Don't throw melons ladies, just stirring up the creative juices!

I was just thinking along the very same lines...that the "gift of beauty" alludes to our various definition of what beauty is. Is it physical beauty, spiritual beauty, or beauty in character?
I think we all have beauty in us, and perhaps SM wants to make Rosalie's character as mysterious as she is, because she wants us to figure out what her "gift of beauty" is, as much as we try to accept what our own personal beauty is.
I do agree that Rosalie is tenacious...and after reading Eclipse and the outtakes from that book...I also got the impression that she can be scheming and manipulative as well. Which leads me again to think...how much do we use of our own beauty to manipulate others around us? to get what we want? to acheive what we wish to achieve?

RedVelvet wrote:

Lisa 314 wrote: Cocoa wrote: Its one thing for Bella to see it for her own eyes that Rosalie is beautiful. Its quite another for Edward to say it to Bella. I doubt that would have set well. Even when he said she was beautiful later, he added, in her own way, to soften the statement. It would have been rude to tell Bella he found another woman beautiful. Edward, always the gentleman. Not to mention that Rosalie would have LOVED him telling Bella she is Beautiful, I doubt Edward would want to give her the satification. Something tells me that this buggs the crap out of Rosalie, Edward not admitting she is pretty. I wager its been a theme in Rosalie and Edward's relationship. Its a very brother and siter like thing to do. Sorry to belabor the point, but that's what makes for good discussions, right? Rosalie's beauty, her "outward trait" that she brings to her vampire existence, is the motivating catalyst, I believe, that is driving an as of yet, unexplained "inner trait". This inner trait is hidden from us at this point, but will be explained, IMHO, in MS. It manifests itself at this point in the form of her beauty.Rosalie regales not only in the attention she felt she should have from Edward, but never got, but also in the attention she gets from all males and females alike. A trait, is a distingushing behavioral marker best visualized by a physical characteristic(like beauty). When it is fed(no pun intended), it strengthens, thus keeping the pattern moving in a never ending circle. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Don't throw melons ladies, just stirring up the creative juices! I was just thinking along the very same lines...that the "gift of beauty" alludes to our various definition of what beauty is. Is it physical beauty, spiritual beauty, or beauty in character? I think we all have beauty in us, and perhaps SM wants to make Rosalie's character as mysterious as she is, because she wants us to figure out what her "gift of beauty" is, as much as we try to accept what our own personal beauty is. I do agree that Rosalie is tenacious...and after reading Eclipse and the outtakes from that book...I also got the impression that she can be scheming and manipulative as well. Which leads me again to think...how much do we use of our own beauty to manipulate others around us? to get what we want? to acheive what we wish to achieve?

I agree I keep remembering the first chapter of Midnight Sun how Edard was trying to "charm" Mrs. Cope into getting a schedule change. I think that Rosalie could have the same effect upon males to get her way in any situation. She may even have that kind of charm upon vampires too. I also think that she may have the tendency to love like Esme one second or to be very angry and intimidating the next.

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I've always believed that Roselie's beauty would have the power to unnerve the most powerful enemy if used in the right situation and the right way. Her behaviour continues to confuse me and yet I still feel that SM gave some insight to her nature in the extra that she wrote called miscalculation. http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/pdf/nm_extras_miscalculation.pdf

For those who haven't read it, it gives an insight into her reasons for telling Edward that Bella was dead.

She really is a tough nut to crack. Even after this she still can't quite get to grips with Bella/Edward together immortally forever.

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I am thinking her power can't be a good one. If it was, then Edward would have just told Bella don't you think? The poster who says that she could have been the baiter of the clan (like Heidi) makes sense to me.

I hope we find out in BD.

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ferrarimum wrote:

I've always believed that Roselie's beauty would have the power to unnerve the most powerful enemy if used in the right situation and the right way.

I can see this working on werewolves or humans but I doubt that it would overpower other vampires. I don't think physical beauty amongst themselves is particularly noticeable to them, perhaps because they're so accustomed to it, so it's just not that interesting. For instance, if you love creme brulee but you experience it only occasionally, it's going to be a desirable, highly anticipated, greatly enjoyed thing; if you start having it every day, you'll soon grow bored and hardly notice it anymore. A surfeit of anything, including something desirable, is still a surfeit, you become inured. (Except Twilight, haven't experienced a surfeit of that yet; it's a unique phenomenon).

In the baseball clearing, the nomads remained unaffected by the Cullens' beauty, even Rosalie's; in Volterra, the only one besides the victims who paid any attention to Heidi's stunning looks was Bella. Edward scarcely notices what other vampires look like and is very blase about physical beauty. As far as I can tell it's only after he loves Bella as a person that he starts to love her appearance, too. I think it's only as the seed of humanness deep inside him starts resurfacing and blooming that he becomes more and more affected by her physical attributes.

It seems to me that vampires are immune to their own weapon (beauty). Its use is reserved solely to attract human prey. They probably need this immunity for two reasons, off the top of my head: one, that they won't waste energy on useless pursuits like developing crushes or falling in and out of lust (useless because lust is a procreatively driven urge and vamps don't procreate), or engaging in rivalries over mates...their mating is based on other things, so a vampire isn't likely to fall into lust at first sight and cause the attendant problems humans have with that. (Rosalie's love for Emmett at first sight was all about her thwarted dreams and his resemblance to someone important from her human life, it wasn't about how handsome or hunky he was).

The second reason is that vampires can't afford to be attracted to their prey in any way other than as a food source. If they were stirred by anything other than scent (and presumably the volume of blood, meaning a large person would be more attractive than a smaller one), they might develop attachments and have emotional crises, like if a veal farmer started naming and playing with the cute little calves--makes it much harder to slit their throats later. Vampires have to remain emotionally detached from their prey, cold-blooded, as it were. When Jacob tells Bella, "You don't see the fish kissing the eagle, do you?" the reverse is also true--the eagle doesn't kiss the fish. Which is why every vampire who hears of it is astonished by Edward and Bella's relationship. It's something that just doesn't happen in their world!

This all could be another reason why Rosalie has so many issues. If her main attribute is beauty, and her own kind remains unaffected by it, and she can't utilize it since she doesn't need to attract humans, then what good is it? What does it bring to the family, besides unwanted human attention? What can it possibly bring her other than awe from humans in whom she has no interest whatsoever?

Rosalie's beauty is something of a burden, so if she identifies herself only in terms of her beauty, then deep down might she not feel that she, herself, is something of a burden? Not that she'll ever admit it, but that kind of insecurity could be part of why she is the way she is.

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Someone like Heidi is perfectly placed. She is super-sexy and the particular job given her is to procure victims for the whole company. That's her gift. Rosalie could have provided the same function in a coven of people-eaters, but it's kind of wasted on the Cullens, isn't it? Poor thing. All gloried up and nowhere to go.

These beautiful vampires are similar to most deadly creatures in nature. In the deep sea you have the fish with the beautiful, luminescent baubles on stalks held out in front of their mouths. Some of the most beautiful plants are carniverous.

By the way, that drain in the floor shivers my timbers as well.

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