Fractured Fairytales

**Joanne Maria** · Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:17 am Post subject:

Queenie...your thoughts are mind boggling. When I first read that post all I thought of was "The Sword and The Stone".

I can see how in tuned you are to BD. You seem to connect to it as well as connect everything to it on so many levels.

And the bracelet, I never thought of that. The Wooden Wolf (tree & animal), The Silver chain, (base metal) and the Crystal Heart ( hard, cold but clear and pure). Thank you for this enlightening post.
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"I didn't want to be the monster! I didn't want to kill this room full of harmless children! I didn't want to lose everything I'd gained
in a lifetime of sacrifice and denial!
I wouldn't! She couldn't make me.
*EDWARD-Midnight Sun*

**queenofmycastle** · Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:45 am Post subject:

In the particular article I was reading about the number three and the Celtic preoccupation with it, King Arthur is actually mentioned. It was believed that the Celtic Shamans were able to communicate with the otherwordly - fairies, the dead and the yet to be born, thus giving them the "God-like" powers of omniscience (all knowing), omnipresence (all being) and omnimpotence (almighty). These Shamans would then pass on the wealth of their knowledge to the mere mortals, like King Arthur.

I also had read, and forgot to mention, that SM fractures the magic of one of the powers of three....the trimester. We all know about that magical three. Smile

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bisskiss · Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:52 am Post subject:

**queenofmycastle** · Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:

I read Midnight Sun yesterday....I'm weak and I admit it....I sat at the desk and beat my head with a lamp, like Dobbie, as penance for my weakness. Very Happy

***NO SPOILERS, I PROMISE***

This has to do with my view as Bella as a bridge - I'm starting to see Bella as the Shaman in the series.

She was the bridge between the vampire world and the human world; the bridge between the vampire world and the Quileute spirit world; the bridge between Edward and Jacob, the bridge that Edward crossed from purgatory to redemption and the bridge between the hell and heaven that Forks became for both Edward and Jacob.

Bella had her foot in the three worlds of the Shaman - the world of magic, the world of the "dead" and the world of the yet to be born - and she passed her complete understanding of all three worlds to others to enable the changes that secured a happy ending for everyone she loved. I loved Bella so much in BD and am loving her more with every new insight. Smile

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**Joanne Maria** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:39 am Post subject:

Queenie, that is a beautiful post. Extraordinary...isn't it. I agree with you, Bella is the BRIDGE. Thank you for putting it so beautifully!!!
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"I didn't want to be the monster! I didn't want to kill this room full of harmless children! I didn't want to lose everything I'd gained
in a lifetime of sacrifice and denial!
I wouldn't! She couldn't make me.
*EDWARD-Midnight Sun*

bisskiss · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:06 am Post subject:

**lauralee** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:01 am Post subject:

Didn't Bella tell Jacob that gestation was complete at 40 inches?

I have been reading several fairy tales, and the power of tears is a recurring motif. There is a magical, usually healing, process that takes place and saves the character's object of affection. I know we all the moment that Edward tastes Bella tears. Even in BD, we get Bella experiencing Nessie's tears. In working with metals and forging, water works to seal the process. Edward says once his kind is altered, it is forever.

Queenie, getting back to Jacob's journey. One of the things I marked in my NM on the second revamp was that he was playing the Bella role (all warm and goo-goo) while Bella was playing the Edward role (she was cold, and tying to say it's better if you don't like me). So we have the whole process there, too.
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**Shimmerskin** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:

**queenofmycastle** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:07 am Post subject:

Of course, Shimmer, thank you. I meant that in stictly the symbolic sense. Smile

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**Shimmerskin** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:

**queenofmycastle** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:29 am Post subject:

**lauralee** · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:34 am Post subject:

I hate to break up the alchemy discussion, so just ignore me and continue. I was comparing old and modern Repunzel yesterday, and all I could think of was TW-(-I am soooo going to fail this course. ) So the prince is called to the maiden in the high tower by her singing that he can't resist. Bella is on the second floor and her blood sings to him. In both cases, her tears heal him. In all 3 books, Bella cries: Edward's humanity resurfaces. In both cases, the heroine is sent into isolation. Bella describes her trip as self-imposed exile. But there is a major difference. In the modern version, Repunzel becomes pregnant, but in the original she doesn't. So I was wondering about this. It seems the original placed more of an emphasis on the romantic love between the two. The modern version placed an emphasis on the genesis of the family unit.

This is where TW comes in. or more specifically BD. I have noticed the shift from the couple to the family as a theme by SM. This matches the switch in the modern. The switch from romantic courtly love to the more realist outcome of love in marriage and the family. Which makes TS a modern fairy tale. But then if you're going to quote Bart Simpson over Elizabeth Bennett, then I guess you were aiming for the modern all along.
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Shanda Strawkas · Newborn Joined: 28 Jul 2008 Posts: 88

Shimmer: You are truly amazing to have started this thread. I just found it and I am astounded at the depth the posts have taken. It has made me rethink the whole series now! I've revamped the series many times, loving to read those great passages over and over again. With Harry Potter, I loved digging into the deeper meanings behind the stories, characters and plots. I don't know why I never thought of doing that with the Twilight series. Now that I've seen this thread, I am now going to go back and read the series again and look for deeper meanings behind everything. They fairytale, folklore and mythology connection is awesome. I also like how the whole alchemy & number meaning has came into play as well.

All of you women are truly brilliant! Clap

~Shanda
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**lauralee** · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:

Okay, back to alchemy. Someone may have mentioned this, but my head is swimming too much. In the story of Snow White, her mother wished for a child that was white as snow (skin), red as blood (lips) and black as ebony (hair). Doesn't Bella have the dark/white contrast (see MS1-12, ch. 2 notes by Shimmerskin) and her cheeks are constantly blushing red. Snow White is brought back death 3 times, before her prince finally saves her and they take on the evil stepmother together: huntsman, laces, comb, then apple. Bella has been saved 3 times (James, Laurent, diving) before Edward saves her from Victoria. They then take on the Volturi together. It is the union of marriage which enables Snow White to be reborn from maid to her rightful position on the throne. Bella had the dual ceremony of human marriage and vampire-turning to be reborn into her rightful position as a vampire by Edward's side.
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