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Clues/insights/foreshading that lead up to Breaking Dawn
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lauralee
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RylansMomma wrote:
madellie wrote:
I thought of something else. I don't remember where, but Bella says that the hardest thing for her is to make the decision, going through with the decision is easy. I think it is where she decides that it doesn't matter if Edward is a vampire. This foreshadows her ease as a newborn. She had made the decision that she didn't want to hurt anyone. She wanted to be a "good" vampire. The decision was made.. following through on it was easy.


You said this way better than I could... that's been my point about why it was so easy for her for a while now. When I read how easy it was, I thought about how she had said that the decision was the hard part, but going through with it would be easy. It was like once she made her mind up, that was it, she was going to be good no matter what. And that's why stopping herself was so easy, because she had prepared herself for all that was to come because to her, once the decision was made, everything else was just going to be her life.


Great insight!!!! "Following through was easy" The key to Bella's behavior from the start.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this's been already posted yet and I also don't know if I'm right -but I ust thought about The Meadow in TW.

B&E match perfectly with their clothing and they become a pair (couple?) on the meadow - the meadow which is a perfect circle.

For me this is a hint to the end of BD:

Bella and Edward being

one body
one mind
one soul

the full circle.

Does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a wedding ceremony, the ring symbolizes that unending circle. BissKiss, I think you are on to something here.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lauralee wrote:
RylansMomma wrote:
madellie wrote:
I thought of something else. I don't remember where, but Bella says that the hardest thing for her is to make the decision, going through with the decision is easy. I think it is where she decides that it doesn't matter if Edward is a vampire. This foreshadows her ease as a newborn. She had made the decision that she didn't want to hurt anyone. She wanted to be a "good" vampire. The decision was made.. following through on it was easy.


You said this way better than I could... that's been my point about why it was so easy for her for a while now. When I read how easy it was, I thought about how she had said that the decision was the hard part, but going through with it would be easy. It was like once she made her mind up, that was it, she was going to be good no matter what. And that's why stopping herself was so easy, because she had prepared herself for all that was to come because to her, once the decision was made, everything else was just going to be her life.


Great insight!!!! "Following through was easy" The key to Bella's behavior from the start.


Thanks. I loved that it was easy for Bella. It was like she was SO deadset on being good, and not having her record tainted (remember her question about whether her numbers start AFTER the change), that nothing mattered. Bella was always stubborn and hard-headed, so that didn't surprise me at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh my goodness queenofmycastle & lauralee what wonderful posts I would have never picked up on that I am just in awe right know how well that fits together thank you that was windfall I have not been in her for awhile but I love this thread on how you are making it unfold because I would have never picked up on half of the things you ladies have

RylansMomma wrote:
madellie wrote:
I thought of something else. I don't remember where, but Bella says that the hardest thing for her is to make the decision, going through with the decision is easy. I think it is where she decides that it doesn't matter if Edward is a vampire. This foreshadows her ease as a newborn. She had made the decision that she didn't want to hurt anyone. She wanted to be a "good" vampire. The decision was made.. following through on it was easy.


You said this way better than I could... that's been my point about why it was so easy for her for a while now. When I read how easy it was, I thought about how she had said that the decision was the hard part, but going through with it would be easy. It was like once she made her mind up, that was it, she was going to be good no matter what. And that's why stopping herself was so easy, because she had prepared herself for all that was to come because to her, once the decision was made, everything else was just going to be her life.


I had thought of this also about how when she makes her mind up so when she was not a typical newborn I think that was the one thing that did not surprise me at all because I think I knew that she would be easy for her
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while back, I posted in a "Charlie" thread that I think got thrown away with the Pre-Release Breaking Dawn discussions.

My questions was. "Does anyone besides me believe that Charlie was beginning to put two and two together at the end of Eclipse?"

By now, we all know that Charlie would just as soon remain in the dark about most things rather than have to confront them.

I think the first clue that Charlie saw something different in Carlisle was in Twilight when he vehemently defends Calisle against Billy's superstitions. Bella says something to the effect that it was the longest speech that she'd ever heard Charlie make on any subject. Forks hospital has at least one other doctor we know of besides Carlisle so I felt that Charlie must have sensed something different about Carlisle and his abilities as a doctor. This reminded me of Edward's mother and how she begs Carlisle to use those abilities to save Edward. I think, had Charlie had the opportunity, he'd have asked Carlisle to do the same for Bella. I think this may have been why Charlie was so accepting of the changes he saw in Bella. He knew that whatever needed to be done was done to save Bella's life.

I also think we were given a good bit of foreshadowing that Charlie was going to find out that Jake is a wolf. At the end of Eclipse, Charlie and Bella are standing in the kitchen discussing Jake's "accident".

Charlie says, "Weird day today", and goes on to describe how nervous Billy was and how he turns the boat back to the harbor when he hears the wolves howling "like they were calling to him personally". In Billy's house, Charlie hears the howling start again right outside the house and says, "Course I forgot all about that till just this minute, 'cause that's when Jake made it home. One minute it was that wolf yowling, and then you couldn't hear it anymore - Jake's cussing drowned it right out."

So, I think that Charlie was, in his own way, starting to believe that something strange was happening in Forks but not trying too hard because he, as he says, "doesn't put much stock in that superstitious crap." I think the suspicions he already had helped him to accept what Jake showed him and accept how Bella had changed. He just needed to process it in his own way without too many details. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

queenofmycastle wrote:
ETA: (part 2) - I was reading through Bella's and Jake's conversation at the end of EC when Bella is telling him that her future lies with Edward. I believe that they both understand that there is something much deeper at work between the two of them. Jake says, "I was the natural path your life would have taken.....If the world was the way it was supposed to be, if there were no monsters and no magic." As Bella is thinking about the future she may have had with Jake she thinks, "Two futures, two soul mates.....too much for any one person." (She needed Renesmee) Then, later, as she's getting up to leave Jacob, Bella pulls away from him with a "dull, dragging sense of loss, feeling the tearing separation as I left a part of me behind on the bed next to him." (Bella's human spirit in the form of Renesmee tearing free from her body to belong to Jacob.) And, in a little bit of irony, when Bella is talking about Jake imprinting on someone and says that it would be a relief for her, Bella says, "Maybe, maybe not. I probably won't think she's good enough for you. I wonder how jealous I'll be." Very Happy


OME. Shocked Thank you, Queen, for another great insight!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

queenofmycastle wrote:
A while back, I posted in a "Charlie" thread that I think got thrown away with the Pre-Release Breaking Dawn discussions.

My questions was. "Does anyone besides me believe that Charlie was beginning to put two and two together at the end of Eclipse?"

By now, we all know that Charlie would just as soon remain in the dark about most things rather than have to confront them.

I think the first clue that Charlie saw something different in Carlisle was in Twilight when he vehemently defends Calisle against Billy's superstitions. Bella says something to the effect that it was the longest speech that she'd ever heard Charlie make on any subject. Forks hospital has at least one other doctor we know of besides Carlisle so I felt that Charlie must have sensed something different about Carlisle and his abilities as a doctor. This reminded me of Edward's mother and how she begs Carlisle to use those abilities to save Edward. I think, had Charlie had the opportunity, he'd have asked Carlisle to do the same for Bella. I think this may have been why Charlie was so accepting of the changes he saw in Bella. He knew that whatever needed to be done was done to save Bella's life.

I also think we were given a good bit of foreshadowing that Charlie was going to find out that Jake is a wolf. At the end of Eclipse, Charlie and Bella are standing in the kitchen discussing Jake's "accident".

Charlie says, "Weird day today", and goes on to describe how nervous Billy was and how he turns the boat back to the harbor when he hears the wolves howling "like they were calling to him personally". In Billy's house, Charlie hears the howling start again right outside the house and says, "Course I forgot all about that till just this minute, 'cause that's when Jake made it home. One minute it was that wolf yowling, and then you couldn't hear it anymore - Jake's cussing drowned it right out."

So, I think that Charlie was, in his own way, starting to believe that something strange was happening in Forks but not trying too hard because he, as he says, "doesn't put much stock in that superstitious crap." I think the suspicions he already had helped him to accept what Jake showed him and accept how Bella had changed. He just needed to process it in his own way without too many details. Smile


I so thought that he was thinking or starting to figure some things out I just thought it was weird how that conversation with his talking about the wolves was just a little ironic so yes that was my first thought was I think Charlie was figuring things out or knew something was up he just could not put his finger on it I think that is why when Jacob did show him that might be why he was a little understanding because he had a hunch
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