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lauralee
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| Actually, it just occurred to me that all of the Cullen "kids" are in a relationship where there's one serious person (Rosalie, Jasper, Edward) and one funny (Emmett, Alice, Bella b/c she falls down so much). |
Hey, you're right! Each serious, conflicted one has a comic-relief partner. It's not a sidekick situation (thank goodness) but more of a lightening-up influence. Emmett jollies Rosalie out of her ire, Alice's little schemes distract Jasper from his torment, and Bella is vastly entertaining to Edward. No wonder he teases her so much. She reacts, he grins...he's enjoying himself. Imagine.
Just one more reason they're supposed to be together. Jacob isn't serious enough to fit the light/dark pattern of the other couples. Hmmmm. A pattern of light and dark. Like black and white squares? More chessboard imagery?
I think Edward isn't the only mischievous one around here. Stephenie seems pretty tricky herself. |
Sorry if I'm kinda jumping in on your conversation, but I was reading the thread and was really interested in the comments on the balance between certain characters-something that I hadn't really thought about before.
Shimmerskin, in response to what you said about Jacob not being serious enough to fit the light/dark pattern, what if the roles were switched? I could totally see Jacob being the light to Bella's dark. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, that is how Bella sees Jacob-as her personal sun.
Not that I really see Bella ending up with Jacob, but I wonder if/and how his absense will indirectly effect her relationship with Edward. |
I agree that Bella switches the roles in NM in her relationship with Jacob. There are things she says and does that are reminiscent of Edward towards her in other areas of the series. This is why I don't think Bella and Jacob could make it as a couple. Even though Bella says it is so easy to be herself around Jacob, she is being herself. She's being this whole other person that cheats and takes immature risks. It would wear on her and their relationship would suffer for it.
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edwards_obsession
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I love any moment when Edward is confident enough to realize the power of his persuasiveness! Especially when he "tampers" with Bella's memory by the Jeep before they go to play baseball. He uses his voice, his eyes, his smell, and his breath to completely confound and muddle Bella's objections. That is so cute and so sexy at the same time. And no matter that Bella knows what he is doing, she cannot resist his charms! That Edward - so mischevious! 
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stephvampie
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| I love any moment when Edward is confident enough to realize the power of his persuasiveness! Especially when he "tampers" with Bella's memory by the Jeep before they go to play baseball. He uses his voice, his eyes, his smell, and his breath to completely confound and muddle Bella's objections. That is so cute and so sexy at the same time. And no matter that Bella knows what he is doing, she cannot resist his charms! That Edward - so mischevious! |
That is one of my favorite things about Edward, I wish he would Dazzle me on purpose. 
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momof5
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"Excellent plan, my brother," Emmett tells Edward and they do the fist smack.
Gotta love that. |
I think I've said this before, but that is one of my favorite parts of the book. I don't think I noticed it, though, until like the 3rd time I re-vamped. I love that Edward does it...and in my head, I hear "my brotha"! 
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momof5&obsessed
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I love any moment in the books that involve Edward!! I have to agree that I like the mischievous side......
It's really fun to relive the moments and hear everyone's comments!!!!
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kdf72
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| edwards_obsession wrote: |
| I love any moment when Edward is confident enough to realize the power of his persuasiveness! Especially when he "tampers" with Bella's memory by the Jeep before they go to play baseball. He uses his voice, his eyes, his smell, and his breath to completely confound and muddle Bella's objections. That is so cute and so sexy at the same time. And no matter that Bella knows what he is doing, she cannot resist his charms! That Edward - so mischevious! |
That is one of my favorite things about Edward, I wish he would Dazzle me on purpose. |
That is one of my favorite parts. I feel myself getting lightheaded when I read it. 
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edwards_obsession
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| stephvampie wrote: |
| edwards_obsession wrote: |
| I love any moment when Edward is confident enough to realize the power of his persuasiveness! Especially when he "tampers" with Bella's memory by the Jeep before they go to play baseball. He uses his voice, his eyes, his smell, and his breath to completely confound and muddle Bella's objections. That is so cute and so sexy at the same time. And no matter that Bella knows what he is doing, she cannot resist his charms! That Edward - so mischevious! |
That is one of my favorite things about Edward, I wish he would Dazzle me on purpose. |
That is one of my favorite parts. I feel myself getting lightheaded when I read it. |
I've always wondered - do you think Edward is really oblivious to his effect on people?? Bella tells him that he dazzles her and he acts all surprised, but i think he knew exactly what he was doing from the beginning. He has to be at least that self aware. Do you think he was really clueless??
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heartstops4EC
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| No, he's not clueless (he reads people's minds). But I think he knows exactly what he's doing, especially with Bella. I think that he doesn't understand why he, of all people, a monster (in his mind) has that effect on Bella or us. But he does know that he is the world's best predator and part of that is his ability to "dazzle".
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shoegal_alicea
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I have a quesiton I'm new and didn't know exactly where this would fit best. Oh geez how do I put this...so to what extent does Edward's senses physically work meaning I know that's his organs a dead and he can't spead his seed (In my in he surely can) is he able to consimate physically? I know he can't while she's human but well can perform after she's changed? So what i'm trying to say is that when he kisses Bella is he getting hot and bothered like she is because he feels other emotions love, anger, happiness, sadness. Sorry for rambling I just want to keep it PG.
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momof5
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| I have a quesiton I'm new and didn't know exactly where this would fit best. Oh geez how do I put this...so to what extent does Edward's senses physically work meaning I know that's his organs a dead and he can't spead his seed (In my in he surely can) is he able to consimate physically? I know he can't while she's human but well can perform after she's changed? So what i'm trying to say is that when he kisses Bella is he getting hot and bothered like she is because he feels other emotions love, anger, happiness, sadness. Sorry for rambling I just want to keep it PG. |
There are 2 threads that discuss Vampire Physiology (in great detail!), but you have to get access from one of the Admins.
Click HERE for more information!
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lauralee
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| shoegal_alicea wrote: |
| I have a quesiton I'm new and didn't know exactly where this would fit best. Oh geez how do I put this...so to what extent does Edward's senses physically work meaning I know that's his organs a dead and he can't spead his seed (In my in he surely can) is he able to consimate physically? I know he can't while she's human but well can perform after she's changed? So what i'm trying to say is that when he kisses Bella is he getting hot and bothered like she is because he feels other emotions love, anger, happiness, sadness. Sorry for rambling I just want to keep it PG. |
There are 2 threads that discuss Vampire Physiology (in great detail!), but you have to get access from one of the Admins.
Click HERE for more information! |
Until you get lined up to enter those forums, I'll leave you with these thoughts. There's the make-out scene where Bella notices she's not the only one breathing hard. And, when talking about Rosalie and Emmett, Bella asks in a round about way, to which Edward says I am a man. And when she asks if she tempts him with her blood or her body, he says it's both. That's the PG version. To get technical, you have to go to the pg-13 threads, though.
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Cordelia
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| Caroline wrote: |
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| Actually, it just occurred to me that all of the Cullen "kids" are in a relationship where there's one serious person (Rosalie, Jasper, Edward) and one funny (Emmett, Alice, Bella b/c she falls down so much). |
Hey, you're right! Each serious, conflicted one has a comic-relief partner. It's not a sidekick situation (thank goodness) but more of a lightening-up influence. Emmett jollies Rosalie out of her ire, Alice's little schemes distract Jasper from his torment, and Bella is vastly entertaining to Edward. No wonder he teases her so much. She reacts, he grins...he's enjoying himself. Imagine.
Just one more reason they're supposed to be together. Jacob isn't serious enough to fit the light/dark pattern of the other couples. Hmmmm. A pattern of light and dark. Like black and white squares? More chessboard imagery?
I think Edward isn't the only mischievous one around here. Stephenie seems pretty tricky herself. |
Sorry if I'm kinda jumping in on your conversation, but I was reading the thread and was really interested in the comments on the balance between certain characters-something that I hadn't really thought about before.
Shimmerskin, in response to what you said about Jacob not being serious enough to fit the light/dark pattern, what if the roles were switched? I could totally see Jacob being the light to Bella's dark. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, that is how Bella sees Jacob-as her personal sun.
Not that I really see Bella ending up with Jacob, but I wonder if/and how his absense will indirectly effect her relationship with Edward. |
I agree that Bella switches the roles in NM in her relationship with Jacob. There are things she says and does that are reminiscent of Edward towards her in other areas of the series. This is why I don't think Bella and Jacob could make it as a couple. Even though Bella says it is so easy to be herself around Jacob, she is being herself. She's being this whole other person that cheats and takes immature risks. It would wear on her and their relationship would suffer for it. |
I agree. It seems like Bella takes on the role of Edward in her relationship with Jacob, except with a twist. She is the one worrying about Jacob and even after he becomes a werewolf she still views him as the younger kid who needs protecting in their relationship. Once again - just like with Renee and Charlie - Bella is the caretaker. Except here she is simultaneously trying to give in to her own childish, risk-taking side. It's not a good combination and surely one that wouldn't last in the long run.
I also agree about loving any scene where Edward is purposely dazzling to redirect Bella's train of thought/intent! I've often wondered what Edward's plans were for their night alone in the Cullen house. He seemed to have that ring stored in a very strange location - on the floor beside the bed - hmmm...I would love to get that night from Edward's perspective. It seems like he had a mischievous plan to propose again all on his own - not just in response to Bella's actions.
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Bluerose
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Some of Edward's very very "mischievous" moments include:
Spying on Bella while she slept. This is creepy in itself but once he realized she was talking in her sleep it became an even more blatant invasion of her privacy and that should have been the end of the nightime bedroom visits.
Dumping Bella in the manner he did which left her devastated.
Returning to Forks and exerting a ridiculous amount of control over Bella's life which included denying her visitation of her friends, disabling her car to prevent her from seeing her friend and bribing his family to "kidnap" her. although this is partially Bella's fault for allowing him to do so.
Mis-use of his mindreading abilities. I can understand Edward translating for Jacob when he was in wolf form and couldn't speak but to do so in front of Bella when Jacob was in human form was extremely rude and patronizing. Jacob could not voice his own thoughts without Edward first prefacing them to Bella. That Bella never questioned the appropriateness of Edward raiding other people's thoughts and giving her a play-by-play was irritating.
The suicide mission in Italy was beyond bad. He exposed himself to innocent humans and put them in danger of the Volturri.
Pressuring Bella into marriage.
The scene in the tent in Eclipse where Edward decides to discuss his engagement to Bella knowing Jacob can hear. Bella should have been allowed to tell Jacob herself at an appropriate time and place but Edward took that right away from her. The manner in which Jacob found out led to hurt feelings all around.
That Edward consistently withheld information and made decisions for Bella bothered me throughout the series.
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