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blondie
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| Ok I know that this thread is more about Alice seeing Bella in her visions but something else I wanted to ask (I don't know if I need to start a completly new thread) is why didn't Alice see Bella make the decision to go to James? I just gone done reading about her conversation with him in Twilight and am confused that Alice didn't see Bella as it is described on page 430 "My decision was made.". If I don't get any answers from this post, I will just start a new one. |
I think that Alice sees the results of decisions, not necessarily the person making them. Alice was focused on James, and when she saw Bella in the mirror room she assumed that it was due to a decision on James' part. I don't think that she was focusing on Bella, so didn't see her running through the airport, another result of her decision; or if she did see it maybe she chalked it up to James chasing her.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| blondie wrote: |
| lollylew wrote: |
| Ok I know that this thread is more about Alice seeing Bella in her visions but something else I wanted to ask (I don't know if I need to start a completly new thread) is why didn't Alice see Bella make the decision to go to James? I just gone done reading about her conversation with him in Twilight and am confused that Alice didn't see Bella as it is described on page 430 "My decision was made.". If I don't get any answers from this post, I will just start a new one. |
I think that Alice sees the results of decisions, not necessarily the person making them. Alice was focused on James, and when she saw Bella in the mirror room she assumed that it was due to a decision on James' part. I don't think that she was focusing on Bella, so didn't see her running through the airport, another result of her decision; or if she did see it maybe she chalked it up to James chasing her. |
I think that's exactly it blondie.. and i think i read this answere somewhere in another forum by steph.
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lollylew
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Backup_Bella wrote: |
| I think that's exactly it blondie.. and i think i read this answere somewhere in another forum by steph. |
If you can remember where, I would appreciate it!
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I just searched the pc at the lex and can't find it. I'm afraid it might have been on the myspace forum that was shut down. Does anyone know if that got saved anywhere?
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I don't know.. Alphie said they were able to archive some stuff from there before it went under.. but i don't know.
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Well since I kept reading I actually read the answer for myself. It seems that after Bella wrote the letter to Edward in Chapter 21, Chapter 22 starts out with her coming upon Alice in the midst of one of her "episodes". It seems like Alice sees what happens in the ballet studio with James but doesn't realize that it was Bella's decision to meet James that caused the future to change; she must have just assumed it was a decision made by James.
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la tua cantante
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: Re: I sort of agree, Sunshine |
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Sunshine, I sort of agree in "wondering" about that in Alice's powers, too. But I also wonder that IF Alice had seen ahead of time that Bella was going to be coming to Forks and into Edward's life that she would have warned him since Bella's scent of her blood nearly drove Edward to kill her that first day in Biology class. Soooo, I'm thinking that Alice only saw what would happen to Bella once Edward first met her, and not before, because I truly believe that Alice would have warned him about Bella otherwise. I'm thinking this thing out as I go along. Does it make any sense?    |
I think you're right... remember how in NM Bella is talking to Alice about how she saw Edward so clearly, but could only see bits of Bellas future, and Alice says that she sees her kind more easily, and she can see Edward even more because how close they are...but she is slowly becoming more attuned to Bella from being around her? Plus, in the first chapter of MS, Alice is totally concentrating on Jasper because she is so concerned about him, it is taking a lot of her attention away from Edward. Plus, Bella didn't make the decision to really come into his life, until he made his mind up that he would let her. I don't know, it's fun to guess!! ~ I hope this makes sense!!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: Re: I sort of agree, Sunshine |
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| la tua cantante wrote: |
| doreansmomma wrote: |
| Sunshine, I sort of agree in "wondering" about that in Alice's powers, too. But I also wonder that IF Alice had seen ahead of time that Bella was going to be coming to Forks and into Edward's life that she would have warned him since Bella's scent of her blood nearly drove Edward to kill her that first day in Biology class. Soooo, I'm thinking that Alice only saw what would happen to Bella once Edward first met her, and not before, because I truly believe that Alice would have warned him about Bella otherwise. I'm thinking this thing out as I go along. Does it make any sense? |
I think you're right... remember how in NM Bella is talking to Alice about how she saw Edward so clearly, but could only see bits of Bellas future, and Alice says that she sees her kind more easily, and she can see Edward even more because how close they are...but she is slowly becoming more attuned to Bella from being around her? Plus, in the first chapter of MS, Alice is totally concentrating on Jasper because she is so concerned about him, it is taking a lot of her attention away from Edward. Plus, Bella didn't make the decision to really come into his life, until he made his mind up that he would let her. I don't know, it's fun to guess!! ~ I hope this makes sense!! |
SHOOT!! I just read a thread that was discussing this exact thing this past week but for the life of my can't remember where it is. I'll look. Alice sees the outcome at the ballet studio but she NEVER thinks that it is because of a decision that Bella makes so she is not looking for that...plus Bella knew how to keep her mind safe from Alice and had not completely decided how she was going to try to get away from Jasper and Alice until they got the the airport and she kind of made it up as she went along. Does this make sense? I will try to find the other post cause it just gives a better explanation of it.
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edwardsmine
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Sorry, I couldn't find this in another thread. Please zap me if I'm in the wrong place. 
Why didn't Alice see what was going to happen on Bella's birthday with the papercut and everything?
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Sorry, I couldn't find this in another thread. Please zap me if I'm in the wrong place.
Why didn't Alice see what was going to happen on Bella's birthday with the papercut and everything? |
Good question. Maybe Alice isn't yet that attune with Bella to see this. *shrugs* I don't know.
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Alice's abilities are based on decisions. She wouldn't have seen Jasper attack Bella until he decided to, which was a split second decison based on desire for blood. She couldn't have seen the whole papercut scenario because that was an accident.
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| So...I was revamping and I started to think about Alice's gift! This might be a dumb question but can Alice see her own future??? I can't remember any part that specifically says this. Can anybody shed some light???
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| So...I was revamping and I started to think about Alice's gift! This might be a dumb question but can Alice see her own future??? I can't remember any part that specifically says this. Can anybody shed some light??? |
She has too because she knew where to meet jasper
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| my_brand_of_heroin wrote: |
| So...I was revamping and I started to think about Alice's gift! This might be a dumb question but can Alice see her own future??? I can't remember any part that specifically says this. Can anybody shed some light??? |
She has too because she knew where to meet jasper |
I thought the same thing and maybe I am reading into this entirely too much but the way her powers work wouldn't Jasper have to decide on going to the diner and that is how she found him, just because she saw him go there.
All Jasper say's is, "She was there - expecting me, naturally."
Then Alice says, "I was just relieved. I thought you were never going to show up."
Then she said she had seen Carlise family but it didn't say that she saw her there just that she saw them and knew that you wanted to be there. I don't know but it has me thinking that she can't see her own future???
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Alice's ability and Bella in Edwards life |
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| Okay so my sis-n-law and I were surmising the other day about alice and what she sees. So here is my question...in Twilight when Edward is taking Bella to meet the Cullens, Bella asks if Alice saw her coming and Edward responds a little brgrudgingly "Something like that". So because Alice and Edward are sio close can Alice see someine who comes into his life BEFORE they do? We know that she sees Bella becoming a vampire, but did she see Bella in Edwards life before she came to Bella even came to Forks? It just struck me as odd as I was reading that part the other day (for the fourth time )! Sorry I rambled and sorry if it doesn't make sense to anyone but me!!!! Let me know what you think!!! |
That would make sense, as she saw Jasper before he came into her life. That would make sense too, as to why Edward is very hesitant on the things he says to Bella about Alice and what she sees. Even though that doesn't go unnoticed by Bella.
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