Carlisle: selfish or savior?

**nighttimepatronofthearts** · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: carlisile selfish

Carlisile selfish, never. I think that a truley more altruistic person has never lived, well, existed. He has spent ten lifetimes trying to do good in the world, and protect humankind.
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Michelle ma bella · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:54 am Post subject:

**queenofmycastle** · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:28 am Post subject:

You're so right, Michelle ma bella, Rosalie does seem to struggle with her human memories more than the others do. Honestly, however, I get the feeling that she struggles more with the loss of the dream of what her life could have been than with the reality of how it would've, in all probability, turned out. She could have married Royce, set the social standard in Rochester, had a slew of beautiful babies and would possibly have still been envious of Vera. Rosalie would've had all the trimmings of an ideal life but would've still been married to Royce, who likely would have treated Rosalie like a fixture in his life, brought out only when he needed/wanted to impress.

Certainly, had nature taken its course, Rosalie would have been dead. Whether it was fate or coincidence, Carlisle found her broken and bleeding in the street. I think he probably kicked into "doctor mode" first and attempted to treat her injuries. When it wasn't possible to heal her, he chose to make her immortal in hopes of finding a partner for Edward. Again, I can't find it in myself to call that selfish. Making the decision to change Rosalie didn't benefit Carlisle in any way.

So, while Rosalie may struggle more with her human memories, if really given the choice to have died that night or be given the choice to be eternally beautiful, I'm not altogether certain she'd have chosen death. And now she has Emmett so I don't feel too sorry for her. Wink

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Michelle ma bella · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject:

karmaoverdogma · Newborn Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 8

I love Carlisle... LOVE him! I think it was a bit of both actually. I think for Edward is was savior, becuase of what Elizabeth asked of him. Esme though, I think selfish cause he wanted a mate. Rosalie... unselfish again, he wanted Edward to be happy.
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**missaloo** · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject:

Michelle ma bella · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject:

Dianec · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:08 am Post subject:

I don't think of Carlise as selfish but I don't think of him as a savior either. He changed Edward because Edward's mother asked him to (not in so many words) and he wanted a companion. He had been alone for many years. As with Esme, he wanted a companion/a mate. Rosalie - he wanted someone for Edward. I know Rosalie appears bitter but I think that is only in response to Bella because Bella can have the life Rosalie wanted but she feels she is giving it up. I think Rosalie knows that even if Carlise didn't turn her, she would not have had the life she dreamed of because she would have died. I don't think she regrets being turned (afterall, she asked for Emmett to be turned).
Also, Carlise believes they have souls so I don't think he feels he's condemning them. So, no, he's not selfish but he's not a savior either. He is a multi-faceted character who does good but also has flaws. I really like him.
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