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How could HC have despised young Cathy so much?

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: How could HC have despised young Cathy so much? Reply with quote

When he so deeply loved her mother.

That's the one thing I can't quite get my brain wrapped around. I mean, he never blamed her for Catherine's death so that angle wasn't entered. I guess it's just because of her father being Edgar... but still, I think anyone who was so crazy over her mom would not despise and humiliate and physically harm a daughter.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: How could HC have despised young Cathy so much? Reply with quote

Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
When he so deeply loved her mother.

That's the one thing I can't quite get my brain wrapped around. I mean, he never blamed her for Catherine's death so that angle wasn't entered. I guess it's just because of her father being Edgar... but still, I think anyone who was so crazy over her mom would not despise and humiliate and physically harm a daughter.
I think you're right on...I think he resented her for belonging to Cathy and another man. While he didn't blame her for Catherine's death, do think there was still a place in his unreasonable heart that resented her for still walking the earth while his beloved Cathy was in the grave? She resembled his Catherine but she wasn't his Catherine....yet again, just out of his reach....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: How could HC have despised young Cathy so much? Reply with quote

queenofmycastle wrote:
Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
When he so deeply loved her mother.

That's the one thing I can't quite get my brain wrapped around. I mean, he never blamed her for Catherine's death so that angle wasn't entered. I guess it's just because of her father being Edgar... but still, I think anyone who was so crazy over her mom would not despise and humiliate and physically harm a daughter.
I think you're right on...I think he resented her for belonging to Cathy and another man. While he didn't blame her for Catherine's death, do think there was still a place in his unreasonable heart that resented her for still walking the earth while his beloved Cathy was in the grave? She resembled his Catherine but she wasn't his Catherine....yet again, just out of his reach....


I don't think so, because towards the end he softened on hareton BECAUSE he looked so much like Catherine. I don't know. Also, I'm amazed HC didn't just kill himself to be "with" Catherine. It's not as if he harbored any spiritual beliefs in that regard that would stop him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: How could HC have despised young Cathy so much? Reply with quote

Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
queenofmycastle wrote:
Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
When he so deeply loved her mother.

That's the one thing I can't quite get my brain wrapped around. I mean, he never blamed her for Catherine's death so that angle wasn't entered. I guess it's just because of her father being Edgar... but still, I think anyone who was so crazy over her mom would not despise and humiliate and physically harm a daughter.
I think you're right on...I think he resented her for belonging to Cathy and another man. While he didn't blame her for Catherine's death, do think there was still a place in his unreasonable heart that resented her for still walking the earth while his beloved Cathy was in the grave? She resembled his Catherine but she wasn't his Catherine....yet again, just out of his reach....


I don't think so, because towards the end he softened on hareton BECAUSE he looked so much like Catherine. I don't know. Also, I'm amazed HC didn't just kill himself to be "with" Catherine. It's not as if he harbored any spiritual beliefs in that regard that would stop him.
Excellent point. And, I guess he did end up killing himself in the end, didn't he? Not obvioulsy, like a gun or poison, but more slowly starving himself and slipping more deeply into a joyous madness that he'd be joining his beloved. And isn't it ironic that Hareton was the only on who mourned his passing in the end?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: How could HC have despised young Cathy so much? Reply with quote

queenofmycastle wrote:
Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
queenofmycastle wrote:
Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
When he so deeply loved her mother.

That's the one thing I can't quite get my brain wrapped around. I mean, he never blamed her for Catherine's death so that angle wasn't entered. I guess it's just because of her father being Edgar... but still, I think anyone who was so crazy over her mom would not despise and humiliate and physically harm a daughter.
I think you're right on...I think he resented her for belonging to Cathy and another man. While he didn't blame her for Catherine's death, do think there was still a place in his unreasonable heart that resented her for still walking the earth while his beloved Cathy was in the grave? She resembled his Catherine but she wasn't his Catherine....yet again, just out of his reach....


I don't think so, because towards the end he softened on hareton BECAUSE he looked so much like Catherine. I don't know. Also, I'm amazed HC didn't just kill himself to be "with" Catherine. It's not as if he harbored any spiritual beliefs in that regard that would stop him.
Excellent point. And, I guess he did end up killing himself in the end, didn't he? Not obvioulsy, like a gun or poison, but more slowly starving himself and slipping more deeply into a joyous madness that he'd be joining his beloved. And isn't it ironic that Hareton was the only on who mourned his passing in the end?


yeah, I wonder why Hareton was so sad... I think HC had banned Cathy from the service, right...? Not that she was mourning... but she could have provided support for Hareton.

How old were hareton & Cathy at this point? 26 and 19/20?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking about this topic earlier. This may be a really bad analogy but...here it goes...HC softens toward Hareton because he looks so much like his beloved Catherine. HC hates young Cathy because she looks like her father but she has her mother's eyes. I can't quite wrap my brain around what I'm trying to articulate but I keep thinking about the eyes being the window to one's soul. He feels like looking into young Cathy's eyes, he's seeing Catherine's soul but it's lost to him. And this is a real stretch, but I was thinking about HP, of all things. Snape hated Harry because he looked like his father....yet he couldn't help being drawn to him because Harry had his mother's eyes....Right before Snape dies, he asks Harry to "look at me". Maybe HC felt like it would be a sign of weakness to display that sort of need. This probably makes no sense to anyone else but me. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

queenofmycastle wrote:
I was thinking about this topic earlier. This may be a really bad analogy but...here it goes...HC softens toward Hareton because he looks so much like his beloved Catherine. HC hates young Cathy because she looks like her father but she has her mother's eyes. I can't quite wrap my brain around what I'm trying to articulate but I keep thinking about the eyes being the window to one's soul. He feels like looking into young Cathy's eyes, he's seeing Catherine's soul but it's lost to him. And this is a real stretch, but I was thinking about HP, of all things. Snape hated Harry because he looked like his father....yet he couldn't help being drawn to him because Harry had his mother's eyes....Right before Snape dies, he asks Harry to "look at me". Maybe HC felt like it would be a sign of weakness to display that sort of need. This probably makes no sense to anyone else but me. Embarassed


i wish I could follow.... but I never read the HP series.... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Utterly Ridiculous wrote:
queenofmycastle wrote:
I was thinking about this topic earlier. This may be a really bad analogy but...here it goes...HC softens toward Hareton because he looks so much like his beloved Catherine. HC hates young Cathy because she looks like her father but she has her mother's eyes. I can't quite wrap my brain around what I'm trying to articulate but I keep thinking about the eyes being the window to one's soul. He feels like looking into young Cathy's eyes, he's seeing Catherine's soul but it's lost to him. And this is a real stretch, but I was thinking about HP, of all things. Snape hated Harry because he looked like his father....yet he couldn't help being drawn to him because Harry had his mother's eyes....Right before Snape dies, he asks Harry to "look at me". Maybe HC felt like it would be a sign of weakness to display that sort of need. This probably makes no sense to anyone else but me. Embarassed
Sorry. Embarassed Then everything I tried to say is about as clear as mud, isn't it? Very Happy
i wish I could follow.... but I never read the HP series.... Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it could be because everytime he looks at young Cathy, he thinks to himself she should be my children, not Edgar's. He wishs with all his heart that Cathy was his and cant stand to think that another man marry his love, & fathered a child that should have been his. Because he hated Edgar some much the hate moved form father to daughter. Just a few thoughts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first, I thought that HC wanted to make Catherine miserable because he hated Edgar so much, and that was the one thing that Edgar loved...But after he died, HC was still a miserable JA, so I don't know... I think maybe part of the reason he hated Catherine is that she was born on the same day Cathy died...She was the only thing left to show of Edgar and Cathy's love. A constant reminder of what HC could never have...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are right. The main reason he hated Catherine was because she supposedly pushed Cahty toward death. He even tells Catherine that her own father Linton despises her because of this (though it isn't true). I also think that he hates Linton so much that he wants to make Catherine miserable because somehow he thinks that will hurt Linton. Somewhere toward the end of the book he tells Nelly that he dosn't want either Catherine or Hearton to be happy because they are both the children of his sworn ememies.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

queenofmycastle wrote:
I was thinking about this topic earlier. This may be a really bad analogy but...here it goes...HC softens toward Hareton because he looks so much like his beloved Catherine. HC hates young Cathy because she looks like her father but she has her mother's eyes. I can't quite wrap my brain around what I'm trying to articulate but I keep thinking about the eyes being the window to one's soul. He feels like looking into young Cathy's eyes, he's seeing Catherine's soul but it's lost to him. And this is a real stretch, but I was thinking about HP, of all things. Snape hated Harry because he looked like his father....yet he couldn't help being drawn to him because Harry had his mother's eyes....Right before Snape dies, he asks Harry to "look at me". Maybe HC felt like it would be a sign of weakness to display that sort of need. This probably makes no sense to anyone else but me. Embarassed

I totally agree. I thought of Snape/Harry verses Heathcliff/Cathy as I was reading. Although I love Snape & developed lots of compassion for him, it is hard for me to feel compassion for Heathcliff.
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