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Empathy--how does it apply to your life?
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Isabellaat50
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Empathy--how does it apply to your life? Reply with quote

Yesterday, as I sat at a meeting discussing our students, who have autism, I was struck by the relevance of "The Host." In the book, Wanderer, Ian and others are changed because they have the ability to empathize--to understand what it feels like to walk a mile (literally) in another person't shoes. In my line of work there is, unfortunately, a tendency among administrators to see parents as "the enemy," and to label some educators as being too "parent-friendly." In our program we pride ourselves on the wonderful relationships we have with our terrific families, which occurs partly because we always remind our staff to imagine what it would be like to live the life of the parent of a child with autism. Empathy is also crucial to working successfully with our children, by understanding what it feels like to have autism.

Empathy is an elusive quality. I have been thinking about how the ability to empathize is important in what we do. How about you? Does this trait play a role in your life? If so, how? Is it possible to teach empathy?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Empathy is a big part of my life. In fact it hinders a lot of my abilities in life. I can't watch a teary movie without balling my eyes out. I read the Host and balled my eyes out. Some I don't know never know never met dies, I ball my eyes out. I am so in tune to what others feel or are going through that sometimes its hard to function. I literally have to block it all off in order to move on and feel my own emotions. I believe that you can teach empathy to someone who is willing to learn. I think everyone should try to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, it's a huge learning experiance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruth, wonderful question. I don't have time to give it full consideration right now but I'd like to at least start.

I believe the ability to feel empathy is something that starts in early childhood if it's nurtured and encouraged. Opportunities to develop also have to exist. I'll come back to that.

You know how there are children born without the ability to sense physical pain? They have to be protected from themselves at all times because if they touch a hot stove, they don't feel it even when their skin is blistering and peeling back. They don't have the natural warning system to take their hand away. When they cut themselves, they only know blood comes out, they can't understand the concept of "hurt." Similarly, others have to be protected from them, as well, because they don't understand why they shouldn't drop bricks on someone's foot. They only know they get in trouble if they do, not why it's a punishable offense. They can see the person crying but there's really no concept of why it makes them cry. They themselves have never felt pain like that, can't relate to it at all. They lack empathy for the experience of physical pain.

In much the same way, youngsters have to experience their own emotional pain before they have a true concept of it and can understand when and why other people's feelings get hurt.

I don't think empathy can develop in a vacuum. I think it comes from experiencing pain in its various forms and being helped to understand that other people feel it, too (except for those poor individuals mentioned above).

When reading The Host for the first time, I had wondered if souls were impervious to pain, and that's why they had little empathy for the beings they were eradicating. Later in the story I saw Wanda's reaction to Doc's dismemberment of souls in the captured humans, and she obviously believed they had felt the slice of the scalpel and the fear of their own destruction, so then I had to wonder once more how they could be so callous towards all the species they'd overtaken. They have such empathy for members of their own species, but do they really think theirs is the only one to have feelings both physical and emotional?

The souls alleviated any guilt they might have felt by convincing themselves they were improving the worlds they colonized. By that rationalization they were able to continue their onslaught...until they encountered humans who just do not go quietly into that "good" night. The rationale began to fall apart. Wanderer was one of the first to realize it, either because she's unique and naturally more sensitive to other species than the other souls, or because her shared memory/experience of emotion, pain, and trauma with Melanie has increased her empathic ability. Or both.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaime, I always enjoy reading your thoughts, and look forward eagerly to more of your insights on this topic.

In the field of autism there is a focus on the concept of "theory of mind." It is the ability that most of us have to understand that our perspective--physically and emotionally--is different than that of other people. People with autism lack this quality. We work hard to teach it, with some limited success. The acquisition of this ability in those with autism is hampered by their other innate social deficits. What kind of experiences can we provide to our own, neurotypical children to help them develop empathy?

Is it exposure to another's pain? Is it the guidance we give in explaining that pain?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just finished reading the Host for the second time tonight, and of course I cried, feeling the pain, helplessness, and hopelessness that was felt on both sides. It is truly a book that brings out the empathy in me.
As far as teaching empathy...I think the best teachers are and have always been, observation and experience. If we are empathetic towards others, our children will see it, and with our encouragement will practice it. When wanting to know how to deal with a particular situation, our children will ask us. If we use empathy in our everyday lives, the examples we will use for our children's dilemmas will show that, and will give them a real life principal to practice. If we remind them how we tried to see Aunt Sally's side of things for example, it will help them deal with an argument they may have with someone else. Children live what they learn; no truer statement can be made about influencing them. So walk the walk, & talk the talk, and make sure you do it in front of their eyes. They will practice it in turn. That's what I think anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isabella, I am the opposite I guess. I have a hard time imagining how someone else would feel. Even when I really try. I could not imagine being Ian, or Wanderer, because I do not have the life experience to attach to those feelings.
I think when you have gone through something similar, it helps to know how another person may feel. But if you have not, like lost a loved one or had a house fire, or even something small like gotten a brand new set of dishes (or whatever) its hard to know or imagine how that feels for that person.
I wish I could empathize more though. Its a good quality.
BTW, where in Temecula do you live? We just bought a house in Redhawk. I am in Austin now but this house closes next Wed. and we close on ours on the friday after that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a great question...

So true. Empathy is a HUGE emotion at play in The Host.
Let me think on it...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catsforme wrote:
Isabella, I am the opposite I guess. I have a hard time imagining how someone else would feel. Even when I really try. I could not imagine being Ian, or Wanderer, because I do not have the life experience to attach to those feelings.
I think when you have gone through something similar, it helps to know how another person may feel. But if you have not, like lost a loved one or had a house fire, or even something small like gotten a brand new set of dishes (or whatever) its hard to know or imagine how that feels for that person.
I wish I could empathize more though. Its a good quality.


You may be a more empathetic person than you give yourself credit for being, but since I don't know you I'll take your word for it that you have trouble imagining how other people feel. My question to you is, did you read very much while growing up? Good books, classic children's literature?

The reason I ask is because I have a theory. I think that children exposed to good books experience vicariously the emotions that other people feel, and therefore are helped in this way to develop a strong sense of empathy. A child who has never lost a family pet nevertheless understands how someone would feel about it if he has seen Jack die in the Little House series. A girl who has yet to lose a beloved friend or relative can still know what a bereaved person goes through if she has read the Anne of Green Gables books, Little Women, or Charlotte's Web. Someone who has never been bullied can still appreciate what it feels like if they've read The Hundred Dresses, or Blubber, or The Chocolate War. And so on.

Not only does the reader have compassion for what the protagonist feels, she experiences her own sense of loss, fear, confusion, etc, as if the event is happening to herself, because she identifies herself with the character. Obviously, it takes more than books to raise an empathetic individual but I believe they have to have an impact, and quite possibly a powerful one.

That's my theory, anyway. I don't really have any way of testing it, but I thought I'd ask you, who tell us you have trouble knowing how other people feel, if you read much as a child and what kinds of books they were. The corollary might be, since you wish you were more empathetic, will it help you to become more so if you read a lot of good, strong, heartwrenching books? Do you think that by reading The Host or the TW series you have become more attuned to what others might feel in situations you haven't yourself experienced?

I suspect you have a nice capacity to develop empathy or you wouldn't be a big enough fan of these books to bother joining a site like TMs. Wink Or if you only joined at your daughter's urging, that still shows you have a desire to understand why she feels about them as she does. Wanting to understand what someone is feeling is the first step towards actually doing it, don't you think?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimmerskin, you are so right. When I teach 1984 or Fahrenheit 451, we read about the destruction of literature. I always ask why was it important to have literature in the first place? The discussion always goes back to the human bonds that are created by the empathy for the characters. Without this sense of empathy, there is no humanity. Great literature crosses cultures and times, so that all of humanity can be bonded. I can understand my son's heartbreak over a lost dog because I read Old Yeller and Where the Red Fern Grows, not because I had a dog myself. But I read those books and cried and cried and cried. So when my son cried, I knew how he felt and was able to help him deal with his feelings.

If an alien parasite like Wanda can learn to empathize, then there must be hope for the rest of us.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimmerskin, I really like your theory. I've noticed my students who are avid readers do tend to be more in tune with others' feelings. I think part of it is that they've at least read about similar experiences. Another part is that they are less self-centered because they've opened their mind to ideas beyond their own situation. I guess the two go hand in hand. Just another reason to encourage reading at an early age!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimmerskin wrote:
You may be a more empathetic person than you give yourself credit for being, but since I don't know you I'll take your word for it that you have trouble imagining how other people feel. My question to you is, did you read very much while growing up? Good books, classic children's literature?

The reason I ask is because I have a theory. I think that children exposed to good books experience vicariously the emotions that other people feel, and therefore are helped in this way to develop a strong sense of empathy. A child who has never lost a family pet nevertheless understands how someone would feel about it if he has seen Jack die in the Little House series. A girl who has yet to lose a beloved friend or relative can still know what a bereaved person goes through if she has read the Anne of Green Gables books, Little Women, or Charlotte's Web. Someone who has never been bullied can still appreciate what it feels like if they've read The Hundred Dresses, or Blubber, or The Chocolate War. And so on.

Not only does the reader have compassion for what the protagonist feels, she experiences her own sense of loss, fear, confusion, etc, as if the event is happening to herself, because she identifies herself with the character. Obviously, it takes more than books to raise an empathetic individual but I believe they have to have an impact, and quite possibly a powerful one.

That's my theory, anyway. I don't really have any way of testing it, but I thought I'd ask you, who tell us you have trouble knowing how other people feel, if you read much as a child and what kinds of books they were. The corollary might be, since you wish you were more empathetic, will it help you to become more so if you read a lot of good, strong, heartwrenching books? Do you think that by reading The Host or the TW series you have become more attuned to what others might feel in situations you haven't yourself experienced?

I suspect you have a nice capacity to develop empathy or you wouldn't be a big enough fan of these books to bother joining a site like TMs. Wink Or if you only joined at your daughter's urging, that still shows you have a desire to understand why she feels about them as she does. Wanting to understand what someone is feeling is the first step towards actually doing it, don't you think?


First, let me thank you for adding to the summer reading lists! Next, I want to confirm the theory of literature helping to build empathy. Although I will first add that plenty of illiterate people had empathy before this century. One of my sons suffers from a brillant but disorganized brain. His verbal skills are five years ahead of his age group however his reading and writing were not. This was a source of endless frustration for him in school. We discovered that he was having trouble tracking while reading, using his finger or a card made him feel like an idiot in front of others. This year he discovered my Calvin and Hobbes collection. He adores them. Reads them out loud to his Dad every night. The short distance to track and the captioning made reading easier. He is reading long words that he was speaking and he got the humor! The first strip he copied was a day in the life of Calvin. Poor Calvin was late getting up, getting dressed, late to the bus, not paying attention in school, told to clean up at home, yelled at to get homework done, told to eat his yucky dinner, threatened to get in the bath, then gently told "get to sleep tomorrow is another day of the same" at which Calvin mournfully sighs. My little guy read and reread that, then he showed it us. He understood exactly what Calvin felt and was able to show us how depressed he felt.
Since reading this strip he has shown more respect to those in authority - sometimes it is begrudgingly so - he has been quick to admit his fault which makes correction a breeze compared to the days of "I didn't do a thing wrong!". He shows remorse for fighting or hurting his little sister. Some of this could be due to his Corpus Callosum growing thicker or his Cingulate Gyrus finally getting good blood flow just through maturity but I believe the onset was first noticed through that comic strip. So I agree reading is helpful to building empathy, so is living in large families....
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KristinLynn wrote:
Next, I want to confirm the theory of literature helping to build empathy. Although I will first add that plenty of illiterate people had empathy before this century.


Perhaps that's where the art and tradition of oral storytelling came in, don't you think? It's something that has largely fallen by the wayside in industrialized cultures, replaced by reading and television/cinema.

I love your anecdote about your son and Calvin. I'm glad he found books he can relate to so completely, that have helped him process his own emotions and display them appropriately. That's a nice illustration of the connection I was hoping to make between literature and empathy. Do you think your son would also enjoy the original, classic Peanuts books? I devoured those as a kid. I couldn't get enough of Charlie Brown, the shy outsider never sure if he would rather try and fit in or just learn to be content with who and what he was, and I adored that rascal Snoopy who knew exactly who and what he was, which was the embodiment of Joe Cool, of course.
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Shimmerskin wrote:
Perhaps that's where the art and tradition of oral storytelling came in, don't you think? It's something that has largely fallen by the wayside in industrialized cultures, replaced by reading and television/cinema.

Yes, yes, yes! It may have fallen by the wayside but the cravings for it have not. Just yesterday my daughter was saying to me "Mommy remember when Josh pulled out the markers to connect his chicken pox? Josh is older than her by eleven years so this is not her first person memory but one I have implanted through story telling. They are always asking me to tell them the stories of my childhood and theirs.

Shimmerskin wrote:
Do you think your son would also enjoy the original, classic Peanuts books? I devoured those as a kid. I couldn't get enough of Charlie Brown, the shy outsider never sure if he would rather try and fit in or just learn to be content with who and what he was, and I adored that rascal Snoopy who knew exactly who and what he was, which was the embodiment of Joe Cool, of course.

Well, I've tried. I also loved the peanuts. Poor Charlie Brown and those footballs and kites. Noah has watched some of their TV classics like the Christmas one, he adores Snoopy and reading about him. And he loves Linus. Charles Schultz did a phenomenual job of exposing relationship flaws, confirming the nice guy sometimes doesn't win and making fun of the bullies of the world. The characters are set in concrete and they don't buge from who they are. I think that scares Noah on some level.....
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KristinLynn wrote:

Well, I've tried. I also loved the peanuts. Poor Charlie Brown and those footballs and kites. Noah has watched some of their TV classics like the Christmas one, he adores Snoopy and reading about him. And he loves Linus. Charles Schultz did a phenomenual job of exposing relationship flaws, confirming the nice guy sometimes doesn't win and making fun of the bullies of the world. The characters are set in concrete and they don't buge from who they are. I think that scares Noah on some level.....


Ahhh. That could be a very scary thing for him! That's an astute observation on your part. But then, you have a lot of empathy. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KristinLynn wrote:
First, let me thank you for adding to the summer reading lists!


I need to issue a caveat. When I mentioned The Chocolate War it was for the purpose of illustrating a point about bullying. I probably shouldn't have blithely included it under the umbrella of a post that claims to talk about great literature for kids. The reason I say this is because the book is controversial, mainly because of all the references to masturbation it contains. I can't recommend it in the same breath as I would The Giver or My Side of the Mountain or Black Beauty or The Phantom Tollbooth. Those don't require parents to vet them out in advance to determine appropriateness; The Chocolate War definitely does.
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