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CullenFan
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raegiff wrote:
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Oh, and Sunny is a totally helpless soul in a totally helpless body (Wanda at least had some problem solving skills and Mel's tough body) -- I think she awakened some kind of big-man-must-protect-little-woman thing in Kyle.


I thought that too Laughing Laughing I think that is just Kyles personality to..he is the chest pounding caveman that has to protect the weak woman! LOL! That might work in his favor though when dealing with the upcoming "romantic tension." Wink


I agree with you queen of my castle. so you know the commercials "so easy a cave man could do it" well my new saying is gonna be "compassion, so easy Kyle could do it"

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CullenFan wrote:
Raegiff wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Oh, and Sunny is a totally helpless soul in a totally helpless body (Wanda at least had some problem solving skills and Mel's tough body) -- I think she awakened some kind of big-man-must-protect-little-woman thing in Kyle.


I thought that too Laughing Laughing I think that is just Kyles personality to..he is the chest pounding caveman that has to protect the weak woman! LOL! That might work in his favor though when dealing with the upcoming "romantic tension." Wink


I agree with you queen of my castle. so you know the commercials "so easy a cave man could do it" well my new saying is gonna be "compassion, so easy Kyle could do it"
That is so classic!!! Thanks for the Mother's day chuckle!! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one of the things that really made him come around to Wanda too was when he started going on raids with her, Ian and Jared and saw all the stuff she did for them without ever giving them up. I think even after she saved him he didn't like her and didn't really want her there but I think all that time they spent on the road togethor had a big affect on him. Then of course I agree that it really took Sunny for him to completly change his opinion. Of course I don't think he could have really reacted to Sunny the way he did without meeting and getting to know Wanda.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion seems to differ from the ones I have read.
I think he ended up liking/trusting Wanda before he left for Sunny. Maybe it was during the raids or after she helped remove a soul. But then he found Sunny/Jodi and realized what Jared felt in needing to protect Mel/Wanda- then eventually, he started falling for the soul as well. I think Wanda helped him accept Sunny, instead of Sunny helping him accept Wanda.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you Pixie.....I think he was able to accept Sunny more easily due to his interaction with Wanda.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think he ended up liking/trusting Wanda before he left for Sunny.


I agree with you Pixie...I felt like Kyle was doing a much better job at accepting Wanda before he went after Jodi/Sonny.

Kyle reminds me of a stubborn teenager (he keeps saying that he's right even after he knows that he is wrong). I really began to like Kyle at the end and I would like to see more from him.

It was so cute when Sonny said I got to stay too...I was really feeling bad for Sonny (maybe because I didn't know Jodi) so I was glad to see her stay with her big, strong Kyle Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject: Kyle Reply with quote

Don't you think the mean and hateful Kyle was just broken hearted. He loved his Jody so much he was blinded and consumed by hate. When Jody or should I say Jodi's body came with him so trusting and so willing, it melted the ice around his heart and repaired it. Sunny loved him unconditionally I think that he recognized her love when he felt it and saw it. The fact that he would not let go of her cryo tank let us know that he had feeling for Sunny herself. She touched his heart. When he came so close to loosing Jody's body he choose to put Sunny back in. If he was not touched by her goodness and pure love for him I think he would have let her die.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do agree with the fact that Kyle going on the raids with Wanda was kind of a turning point for him. Also I have to agree with radtkegirl... i think a lot of his anger did derive from his broken heart and the thought he had in his mind that he was more than likely never going to see or be with Jodi again. But when he Wanda showed him there could be a chance, he did what he needed to do. I think his love for Sunny is very similar to the love he has for Jodi, it shows when he was sleeping with the cryo-tank, He seems to realize that not all souls are what they seem to be and Sunny's out right love for him helped him see that even more, i love that she got to stay too, it thought that was a cute part too!
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsLove wrote:
i do agree with the fact that Kyle going on the raids with Wanda was kind of a turning point for him. Also I have to agree with radtkegirl... i think a lot of his anger did derive from his broken heart and the thought he had in his mind that he was more than likely never going to see or be with Jodi again. But when he Wanda showed him there could be a chance, he did what he needed to do. I think his love for Sunny is very similar to the love he has for Jodi, it shows when he was sleeping with the cryo-tank, He seems to realize that not all souls are what they seem to be and Sunny's out right love for him helped him see that even more, i love that she got to stay too, it thought that was a cute part too!


this just made me think about something someone said to me the other day. I told a girl in my class that I study with a lot that I was divorced she was shocked she said "I never would have guessed you seem so happy and all of the divorced moms that I know are angry all the time." (this in not a diss on any divorced moms, I am one and I thought that this was an unfair stereotype and I must say that I know plenty of women that are very happily divorced and not angery and bitter myself included) and these "angry divorced women" are just divorced that didn't have to watch their husbands die and have their bodies turned into puppets of sorts. I think that it is a good bet that kyle may have always been a bit obnoxious but after losing jodi who Ian admitts was the only one that could calm kyle down he became an extreme.[/b]
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CullenFan wrote:
I think that it is a good bet that kyle may have always been a bit obnoxious but after losing jodi who Ian admitts was the only one that could calm kyle down he became an extreme.


You have a point on that one!
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pixie wrote:
My opinion seems to differ from the ones I have read.
I think he ended up liking/trusting Wanda before he left for Sunny. Maybe it was during the raids or after she helped remove a soul. But then he found Sunny/Jodi and realized what Jared felt in needing to protect Mel/Wanda- then eventually, he started falling for the soul as well. I think Wanda helped him accept Sunny, instead of Sunny helping him accept Wanda.


I agree. I think that he started accepting Wanda before he left to get Jodi. I think that helped him accept Sunny better than if he had gotten Jodi's body before Wanda showed up. The helplessness of Sunny and him holding onto her cryotank was so touching! Showed a more Ian side to him than we ever saw.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree with you guys that Kyle acted the way he did towards Sunny due to the influance of Wanda...I think he could be a big teddy bear if he would just get his head out of his......
Just kidding
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally kidding about the last part...I think he definetly made a 180 turn around by the very end of the book and I did grow to like him even though he tried killing our Wanderer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

muspia15 wrote:
Pixie wrote:
My opinion seems to differ from the ones I have read.
I think he ended up liking/trusting Wanda before he left for Sunny. Maybe it was during the raids or after she helped remove a soul. But then he found Sunny/Jodi and realized what Jared felt in needing to protect Mel/Wanda- then eventually, he started falling for the soul as well. I think Wanda helped him accept Sunny, instead of Sunny helping him accept Wanda.


I agree. I think that he started accepting Wanda before he left to get Jodi. I think that helped him accept Sunny better than if he had gotten Jodi's body before Wanda showed up. The helplessness of Sunny and him holding onto her cryotank was so touching! Showed a more Ian side to him than we ever saw.


Thats what I was going to write, too! Wink I totally think Sunny owes Wanda big time! No, seriously, though. I wonder what would've happened if Sunny came before Wanda? Would Kyle have been as violent with her as he was with Wanda?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before Wanda, the world was black and white in the fight for survival. Wanda opens a third possibility for them. For me that is what the family in the park symbolizes. It takes some of the characters a while to open up to alternatives, while others were seeking an alternative to their life already (like Ian). Once Kyle saw there was a possibility, the pain he had hidden about his lost love resurfaced. I don't think he could have faced her any earlier than this. He had to believe first.
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